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Prospect #11: TIEBREAKER POLL for Byers and Kundratek for Prospect #11

View Poll Results: Who's a more valuable prospect, Tomas Kundratek or Dane Byers?
Dane Byers 70 47.62%
Tomas Kundratek 77 52.38%
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07-28-2009, 08:16 PM
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Prospect #11: TIEBREAKER POLL for Byers and Kundratek for Prospect #11

Ok, looks like Brian Boyle won the right to be added. However, the Byers - Kundratek fight is too close to call.

I don't want to call this one and spark howls that if I had only waited another hour, the other guy would win.

Therefore, with the suggestion of NYR2k2 mod, I am putting up a tiebreaker. Vote aways, boys and girls.

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It would be good to discuss why you chose one or the other.


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07-28-2009, 08:35 PM
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Byers has been an overachiever since turning pro. He has good hands in close, has size and is willing to battle for space in combat areas. He has an excellent opportunity to make the team this year. He's the type of player that should make our team harder to play against.

Kundratek had a good first season but there's still some questions in my mind about him. I think the Rangers expected more offensive flair than he's shown thus far. He's probably at least two years away and with the number of quality d prospects we have he's going to have to leapfrog at least a couple of them to make it to the Rangers. It's something I think he can do but he needs to become more of a force if he returns to the WHL--see him as a bottom pairing d-man if he turns pro in Hartford this year.

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I went with TK. I think everyone knows my feelings about Byers by now, and I like Kundratek's potential for a solid all around game.

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Now I find this interesting, the poll question is asked differently this time than it was in previous polls.
Who is the more valuable prospect?
Rather than who is the better prospect? Which I take to mean now.

Semantics? Probably

I think Byers is the better prospect now, but feel Kundratek could be the better prospect long term. His cieling is higher but I'm still not sure he makes the show.

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Byers has been an overachiever since turning pro. He has good hands in close, has size and is willing to battle for space in combat areas. He has an excellent opportunity to make the team this year. He's the type of player that should make our team harder to play against.

Kundratek had a good first season but there's still some questions in my mind about him. I think the Rangers expected more offensive flair than he's shown thus far. He's probably at least two years away and with the number of quality d prospects we have he's going to have to leapfrog at least a couple of them to make it to the Rangers. It's something I think he can do but he needs to become more of a force if he returns to the WHL--see him as a bottom pairing d-man if he turns pro in Hartford this year.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Now I find this interesting, the poll question is asked differently this time than it was in previous polls.
Who is the more valuable prospect?
Rather than who is the better prospect? Which I take to mean now.

Semantics? Probably

I think Byers is the better prospect now, but feel Kundratek could be the better prospect long term. His cieling is higher but I'm still not sure he makes the show.
Better always meant more valuable, not who's better today. By that definition, Brian Boyle is superior to Kreider.

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I like TK more than Byers.

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I like TK more than Byers.
Me too but its close.

18-17 right now...

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Me too but its close.

18-17 right now...
18-18

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Byers has been an overachiever since turning pro. He has good hands in close, has size and is willing to battle for space in combat areas. He has an excellent opportunity to make the team this year. He's the type of player that should make our team harder to play against.

Kundratek had a good first season but there's still some questions in my mind about him. I think the Rangers expected more offensive flair than he's shown thus far. He's probably at least two years away and with the number of quality d prospects we have he's going to have to leapfrog at least a couple of them to make it to the Rangers. It's something I think he can do but he needs to become more of a force if he returns to the WHL--see him as a bottom pairing d-man if he turns pro in Hartford this year.
Well put.

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Kund.. his name sounds cooler..

47-47

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Still went with Byers

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Byers has been an overachiever since turning pro. He has good hands in close, has size and is willing to battle for space in combat areas. He has an excellent opportunity to make the team this year. He's the type of player that should make our team harder to play against.

Kundratek had a good first season but there's still some questions in my mind about him. I think the Rangers expected more offensive flair than he's shown thus far. He's probably at least two years away and with the number of quality d prospects we have he's going to have to leapfrog at least a couple of them to make it to the Rangers. It's something I think he can do but he needs to become more of a force if he returns to the WHL--see him as a bottom pairing d-man if he turns pro in Hartford this year.
I'm not sure if I'd agree with the Rangers expectations from Kundratek-- I think they knew the kind of game he played and the big shot from the point was a bonus. I do, however, agree with everything else. Byers is the clear winner for me.

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Damn, even the tiebreaker is tied. Talk about two prospects who are even. Unless things reverse, we might call them 11a and 11b, and then proceed to 13.

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with the number of quality d prospects we have he's going to have to leapfrog at least a couple of them to make it to the Rangers.
Guess what: if you are capable of playing in the NHL, the team will find a spot for you.

If Sang, DZ, Gilroy and McD all fulfill their potential and join Staal + Girardi, they can always be traded.

Let's say Kund becomes a #4 defenseman and Sauer a #5. We can trade Gilroy and McD for a forward or two.

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Byers for sure. There is a reason he was a 2nd rounder....

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I voted Byers for the reason that he is a 4th liner right now with a ceiling of 3rd liner possible. The jury is still out on Kundratek, he looks like he could have a ceiling of a #4/5 def but possibly could be career minor leaguer. Had to go Byers because he is NHL ready now.

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I go Byers.

I went with Williams in the original #11 poll because we really seemed to poach a nice prospect there. Actually, since we obtained another team's #3 prospect, though as of February this year, he should have slotted in our top 10 easily. Yet, as far as defensemen that are not yet assured a shot in the show, I would take Williams over Kundratek.

That said, I would rank it:
Williams
Byers
Kundratek

Since Williams is not an option in this poll...Byers.

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does the loser of this round automatically get 12th and then we start voting on 13?

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Man this is close, I went with Kund and made it 48-47 in favor of Tomas...

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Byers for sure. There is a reason he was a 2nd rounder....
What does that mean?

There was a reason Jessiman was a first rounder?

There was a reason Brendle was a first rounder?

There was a reason Graham was a 2nd Rounder (same year as Byers)

There was a reason Falardeau was a 2nd rounder?

There was a Novak was a 2nd rounder?

Not seeing at where that matters at all.....

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As one who's always been fond of gritty & tough players, Byers should be one of my favorites. Yet there's something about Byers that worries me.

Am I wrong, but isn't it the whole point of being gritty & tough to make it difficult on your opponents? I'm not sure Byers accomplishes that. Byers has always piled up his penalty minutes, but from what little I've seen of him, I don't think it's always for his team's benefit. As an intimidator right now, he almost reminds me of a cross between Ryan Hollweg (bad penalties) and Steve McKenna (bad balance). It's almost comical how he seeks altercations and then falls down. That said, if his numbers in the minors translate to the NHL at all, he could be a productive gritty 3rd or 4th liner.

I suppose what I'm looking from Byers is for him to recognize that he's not an effective fighter and to dedicate himself to playing a more disciplined, smart game.

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Wow this is close.

I voted for Kundratek, I like his upside more, but I won't argue with Byers either.

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