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07-31-2009, 11:31 AM
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Even if you bring up a young defenseman and sign a veteran, how much is that veteran gonna cost? How much is Dubinsky going to sign for?

I'm going by Cap Geek keep in mind, and it shows we have roughly $3.6 million in cap space.
Yea, I was only off by about 5 mil in cap space like Levitate said lol. Much better website.

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If Sather is waiting to see what eh has left in cap space based on the Z decision, this could really back-fire and bite in on the backside.

Lets say the award is 3.75 million. that would leave us with less than 2 million for Dubi.

Not saying he's worth it, but what does Sather do if someone extends an offer-sheet for 3.5 million per?

While I understand that this is a Futures board and the vast majority would be happy with the picks, the truth in 95% of trades is that the team that gets the best player wins that trade.

Dubinsky for 2 1st rounders in 2010 and or 2011

Low Risk known for the High Risk Unknown?

Granted, this is a worst case scenario, but it could happen.

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Wow if hey were able to keep Z and have dubi accept a lowball to make it up to him in the future i's be extatic.

Lines should this my dream scenario happen

Zherdev-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Higgins-Drury-Kotalik
Lisin-Anisimov-Callahan
Avery-Boyle-Brashear

This is a Monumental improvement from last year IMO

Plus we have a fourth line that can net one once in a while, and for those of you who say avery should be higher i see him being played situationally a lot being run with one of the top three lines for an an energy shift here and their and to give the wingers a breather during games.
An absolute waste of talent on the 4th line

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If Sather is waiting to see what eh has left in cap space based on the Z decision, this could really back-fire and bite in on the backside.

Lets say the award is 3.75 million. that would leave us with less than 2 million for Dubi.

Not saying he's worth it, but what does Sather do if someone extends an offer-sheet for 3.5 million per?

While I understand that this is a Futures board and the vast majority would be happy with the picks, the truth in 95% of trades is that the team that gets the best player wins that trade.

Dubinsky for 2 1st rounders in 2010 and or 2011

Low Risk known for the High Risk Unknown?

Granted, this is a worst case scenario, but it could happen.
A 3.5 mil offer sheet would only give us a 1st and a 3rd if we don't match.

And we can be 10% over the cap during the summer, so we could match and then figure out how to get under the cap.

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07-31-2009, 11:41 AM
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I think I've said this a few different times in other threads. Avery is not a fourth liner. He's a borderline 2nd liner at best, would fit in great on the 3rd line, but he is NOT a fourth liner. The year we got him in the trade he had 18 goals and 30 assists. The year after that he was on pace for the same stats but missed 25 games. Last season he had 5-7-12 in 18 games with the Rangers. Putting him on the 4th would be a waste.
Agreed, I think when they signed Kotalik it meant no contract for Zherdev, because if Z does somehow stay with the Rangers one of Avery, Lisin and maybe Anisimov would move down to that 4th line, which would really ruin any production.

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The only person I can see a team throwing a big offer sheet at is Staal at the end of next year.

He's that good and going to be that much better where I would give up at least a 3rd round pick. If you're a good team why not give up a first and third for Staal? Staal was picked number 12 overall. You'll probably get the better of the deal anyway.

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The Rangers aren't going to let Staal get away, nor will they let Dubinsky get away.

If someone offer sheeted Dubinsky for $3.5 mill, I think the Rangers take the 1st round pick if it's a bottom feeder team like the Isles.

But they could still sign him. Teams can go over the cap in the offseason, they would just need to find a way to get back under it before the start of the season

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I think it makes sense. Zherdev will have all new line mates next year if he comes back. I think he's more important to the team than Dubinsky. I thought i remember reading that Zherdev wants a long term contract. At the right price, I'd give it too him. A combination of him and Gaborik on the same line with maybe Anisimov in the middle sounds pretty good to me.

We need offense if we're going any where in the playoffs. Zherdev is only 24. I can't even imagine how sick that line could be. Higgins could even play center.
Really...a soft player who does nothing but play offense from the outside.....the same guy who seemed lost for the last 20 games......

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An absolute waste of talent on the 4th line
i have to agree. Im not a huge supporter of him either.

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If Sather is waiting to see what eh has left in cap space based on the Z decision, this could really back-fire and bite in on the backside.

Lets say the award is 3.75 million. that would leave us with less than 2 million for Dubi.

Not saying he's worth it, but what does Sather do if someone extends an offer-sheet for 3.5 million per?

While I understand that this is a Futures board and the vast majority would be happy with the picks, the truth in 95% of trades is that the team that gets the best player wins that trade.

Dubinsky for 2 1st rounders in 2010 and or 2011

Low Risk known for the High Risk Unknown?

Granted, this is a worst case scenario, but it could happen.
If Dubi signed an offer sheet for under $3,013,433 and the Rangers walked it would only be a 2010 2nd rounder coming back.

heres the full chart:

$994,433 or below - No Compensation
$994,434 - $1,506,717 - 2010 3rd round pick
$1506,718 - $3,013,433 - 2010 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 - $4,520,150 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 - $6,026,867 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 - $7,533,584 - 2010 1st round pick, 2011 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 1st round picks.

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I think it makes sense. Zherdev will have all new line mates next year if he comes back. I think he's more important to the team than Dubinsky. I thought i remember reading that Zherdev wants a long term contract. At the right price, I'd give it too him. A combination of him and Gaborik on the same line with maybe Anisimov in the middle sounds pretty good to me.

We need offense if we're going any where in the playoffs. Zherdev is only 24. I can't even imagine how sick that line could be. Higgins could even play center.
Uh what??? Lisin alone can replace what Zherdev has done and can do. We have no one who can replace Dubinsky in our system. He is exactly the type of player we need more of. Zherdev is replaceable.

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I think I've said this a few different times in other threads. Avery is not a fourth liner. He's a borderline 2nd liner at best, would fit in great on the 3rd line, but he is NOT a fourth liner. The year we got him in the trade he had 18 goals and 30 assists. The year after that he was on pace for the same stats but missed 25 games. Last season he had 5-7-12 in 18 games with the Rangers. Putting him on the 4th would be a waste.
yea he is not a 4th liner but they could use him on the PK more and bump him up when they need energy

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Uh what??? Lisin alone can replace what Zherdev has done and can do. We have no one who can replace Dubinsky in our system. He is exactly the type of player we need more of. Zherdev is replaceable.
Thats a LITTLE optimistic on Lisin, but yeah, Z is replaceable moreso than Dubinsky. Dubinsky is the "new nhl prototypical power center"

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07-31-2009, 12:27 PM
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I agree that Sather is probably waiting to see the arbitration decision, and then will try to sign both Zherdev and Dubinsky. Say Zherdev gets $3.6. Then, without Gilroy, we would have almost 3 million more remaining in cap space (with Gilroy it would be about 2.3 million). Torts and Sather can spend that how they wish: ink Dubinsky to a long (say 2.8 mil for 3-4 years) term deal, ink Dubinsky to a short term smaller deal (say 1.8 for a year, or 2.3 for two). In most cases, they can still have more left over to add a 21st player to the roster.

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AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / * Nikolai Zherdev ($3.600m)
Ales Kotalik ($3.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m) / Chris Higgins ($2.250m)
Sean Avery ($1.938m) / * Brandon Dubinsky ($1.800m) / Donald Brashear ($1.400m)
Enver Lisin ($0.790m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m) / Dane Byers ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Wade Redden ($6.500m) / Michal Rozsival ($5.000m)
Daniel Girardi ($1.550m) / Bobby Sanguinetti ($0.855m)
Mike Sauer ($0.847m) / Marc Staal ($0.827m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Steve Valiquette ($0.725m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 20; PAYROLL: $55.831m; CAP ROOM: $1.134m BONUSES: $0.165m

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Uh what??? Lisin alone can replace what Zherdev has done and can do. We have no one who can replace Dubinsky in our system. He is exactly the type of player we need more of. Zherdev is replaceable.
Okay, I know a lot of people really dislike Zherdev, but to say that Lisin alone can replace Zherdev is absurd. I know he's young, but his 78 NHL games with 28 points seems to contradict your statement.

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Okay, I know a lot of people really dislike Zherdev, but to say that Lisin alone can replace Zherdev is absurd. I know he's young, but his 78 NHL games with 28 points seems to contradict your statement.
The skill set and and speed of Lisin in a highly offensive system with skilled players and plenty of ice time will be enough to replace Zherdev...just a belief on my part and not because I dislike Zherdev but because of the faith I have in Lisin.

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I would want to sign him to a multi year contract... why? If he breaks out then we have him on the cheap thru the end of Drurys contract and then we have the dough to give him and Cally a raise.

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The skill set and and speed of Lisin in a highly offensive system with skilled players and plenty of ice time will be enough to replace Zherdev...just a belief on my part and not because I dislike Zherdev but because of the faith I have in Lisin.
I dislike Zherdev and I think this is a stretch. 58 points is what Lisin needs to replace. That means more than doubling his career total while presumably playing on the 3rd line.

No system is going to boost that kind of production. And this is not a knock on Lisin. You're just asking a lot.

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Imagine if Sather could pull the rabbit out of the hat again and make Redden dissapear before the trade deadline, so that we can sign Dubi for a few more years and have money ready for Staal.

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I dislike Zherdev and I think this is a stretch. 58 points is what Lisin needs to replace. That means more than doubling his career total while presumably playing on the 3rd line.

No system is going to boost that kind of production. And this is not a knock on Lisin. You're just asking a lot.
I am counting on the fact Lisin will be in the top 6. Maybe it is asking alot but having seen him play and what he is capable of, he can do it.

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The skill set and and speed of Lisin in a highly offensive system with skilled players and plenty of ice time will be enough to replace Zherdev...just a belief on my part and not because I dislike Zherdev but because of the faith I have in Lisin.
It's funny last year everyone said we had no talent, now we're the friggen 80's Oilers

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If Sather is waiting to see what eh has left in cap space based on the Z decision, this could really back-fire and bite in on the backside.

Lets say the award is 3.75 million. that would leave us with less than 2 million for Dubi.

Not saying he's worth it, but what does Sather do if someone extends an offer-sheet for 3.5 million per?

While I understand that this is a Futures board and the vast majority would be happy with the picks, the truth in 95% of trades is that the team that gets the best player wins that trade.

Dubinsky for 2 1st rounders in 2010 and or 2011

Low Risk known for the High Risk Unknown?

Granted, this is a worst case scenario, but it could happen.
Duby has no leverage. Only if someone offer sheets him will he get any leverage. Zherdev will get 3.875 and Duby will be signed with what's left over. The only thing after that to determine is if we can afford Gilroy on the backend.

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I agree that Sather is probably waiting to see the arbitration decision, and then will try to sign both Zherdev and Dubinsky. Say Zherdev gets $3.6. Then, without Gilroy, we would have almost 3 million more remaining in cap space (with Gilroy it would be about 2.3 million). Torts and Sather can spend that how they wish: ink Dubinsky to a long (say 2.8 mil for 3-4 years) term deal, ink Dubinsky to a short term smaller deal (say 1.8 for a year, or 2.3 for two). In most cases, they can still have more left over to add a 21st player to the roster.

This would be the baseline roster:


AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / * Nikolai Zherdev ($3.600m)
Ales Kotalik ($3.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($2.300m) / Chris Higgins ($2.250m)
Sean Avery ($1.938m) / * Brandon Dubinsky ($1.800m) / Donald Brashear ($1.400m)
Enver Lisin ($0.790m) / Brian Boyle ($0.525m) / Dane Byers ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Wade Redden ($6.500m) / Michal Rozsival ($5.000m)
Daniel Girardi ($1.550m) / Bobby Sanguinetti ($0.855m)
Mike Sauer ($0.847m) / Marc Staal ($0.827m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Steve Valiquette ($0.725m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 20; PAYROLL: $55.831m; CAP ROOM: $1.134m BONUSES: $0.165m
Take out Byers and put in Anisimov and you've got it nailed.

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i see us signing dubes and zherdev going over the cap than dealing zherdev.

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