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Bruins in trade talks with 2 Western Teams regarding Kessel

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08-02-2009, 10:53 AM
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I don't think any will have to deal with the endless speculation Kessel has had throughout his career. Kessel has been getting flak early and often because of his style of play, which often goes unappreciated ny many in a town like Boston. If you can't deliver a bone jarring hit in Beantown, your value is severely decreased.

One need only look at Byron Bitz to realize often Physicality is more appreciated then skill, which although fun to watch, doesn't necessarily make the team a true top contender.

Kessel right now is suffering the same media backlash Joe Thornton did, however hopefully smarter management is in place now and the same mistakes won't be made.
Everything you wrote is wrong, including the Thornton trade being a mistake.

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08-02-2009, 10:57 AM
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Everything you wrote is wrong, including the Thornton trade being a mistake.
Everyone realizes the B's have survived it nicely, but that doesn't change anything about how horrible a deal that was.

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"Edmonton - Probably would want Cogliano + Eberly + pick"

For some reason i see Edmonton slightly overpaying for Kessel as they were not able to land Heatley or any other scoring forwards.

I Beleive Smid + Eberly + Pick would also work. Boston would need to add a pick back and also sign Smid to fit in there salary cap (I belive they have 1.7 cap space).

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08-02-2009, 11:09 AM
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Everyone realizes the B's have survived it nicely, but that doesn't change anything about how horrible a deal that was.
Because people never factor in the fact that A. Thanks to Thorton being gone, they had room to sign Chara and B. Thorton has choked his whole career in the playoffs, so how would it have helped Boston anyways.

Its like when the Leafs defend the Kubina trade by saying it was to clear cap room for their signings. Same rule applied for Boston in the end.

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"Edmonton - Probably would want Cogliano + Eberly + pick"

For some reason i see Edmonton slightly overpaying for Kessel as they were not able to land Heatley or any other scoring forwards.

I Beleive Smid + Eberly + Pick would also work. Boston would need to add a pick back and also sign Smid to fit in there salary cap (I belive they have 1.7 cap space).
I'd like to introduce you to the Salary Cap!

If we're adding 5 million for Kessel then we need to send out 4.

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08-02-2009, 11:17 AM
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I don't get the logic of trading a 21 year old kid with great upside even though he's one dimensional.

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08-02-2009, 11:23 AM
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I don't get the logic of trading a 21 year old kid with great upside even though he's one dimensional.
Life is a little more complex than that son........

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I thought the Leafs wanted Kessell+Boston's 1st for kaberle.
Is wasall of these at one point:

Kaberle for Kessel
Kaberle and 1st for Kessel
Kaberle and 1st for Kessel and 1st
Kaberle for Kessel and 1st

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I have a feeling the two teams are Vancouver and Edmonton.

Vancouver - B's would want Burrows + Grabner + pick
Edmonton - Probably would want Cogliano + Eberly + pick

Personally I don't think Kessel is worth any package resembling these.
The rumour is "two westcoast clubs" - that would exclude Edmonton.

If true it would be two of Vancouver, San Jose, Anaheim, and Los Angeles.

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Rumor has it Chicago is one of the teams.

Versteeg, Skille and a first for

Kessel, Phil

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08-02-2009, 11:29 AM
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Everyone realizes the B's have survived it nicely, but that doesn't change anything about how horrible a deal that was.
Why doesn't anyone understand that the Thornton deal was a salary dump? The Bruins got some good values and also cleared cap space for Chara. If salaries weren't an issue, I would agree that the Bruins didn't get fair value in return, but salaries were (and are) an issue. The $7 million per year the Bruins didn't have to pay Thornton was paid to Chara. The Bruins are a far better team as a result of that trade.

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Because people never factor in the fact that A. Thanks to Thorton being gone, they had room to sign Chara and B. Thorton has choked his whole career in the playoffs, so how would it have helped Boston anyways.

Its like when the Leafs defend the Kubina trade by saying it was to clear cap room for their signings. Same rule applied for Boston in the end.
It was still a horrible deal. Its absolutely false that getting rid of Thornton allowed them to get Chara. It was the expiring contract of Brian Leetch ($4m), the injury/retirement of Alexei Zhamnov ($4.1m) and the increase in the salary cap (up by $5m) that allowed them the room to sign both Chara and Savard. Thornton was making 6.6m, Sturm, Stuart, and Primeau made 5.6 combined. Wheres the savings?

They not only didn't get any prospects or picks, all 3 of the roster players they got were going to be free agents at the end of the following season. The centerpiece of the whole deal was Brad Stuart, they thought he'd be a #1 defenseman. Didn't work out that way, cost him his job.

That trade set the organization back 2 years.

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Because people never factor in the fact that A. Thanks to Thorton being gone, they had room to sign Chara and B. Thorton has choked his whole career in the playoffs, so how would it have helped Boston anyways.

Its like when the Leafs defend the Kubina trade by saying it was to clear cap room for their signings. Same rule applied for Boston in the end.
Really? You planned to get Chara at the end of November by trading for guys who only made roughly a mil or so less than Thornton did? I understand the notion that moving on from a player gives the organization a sort of a fresh start but come on.

There's no defending the severe lack of value from that trade and any subsequent saving thereafter had little to do with the actual trade because they only saved a mil. They could've had Chara with or without Thornton as judged by the Marc Savard signing.

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Because people never factor in the fact that A. Thanks to Thorton being gone, they had room to sign Chara and B. Thorton has choked his whole career in the playoffs, so how would it have helped Boston anyways.

Its like when the Leafs defend the Kubina trade by saying it was to clear cap room for their signings. Same rule applied for Boston in the end.
The only way that the Thornton trade could be viewed as a success is that it got O`Connel fired. In every other way it was an epic fail.

There is no way Chiarelli trades Thornton for those three scrubs.

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Kane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kessel
Please explain.

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The rumour is "two westcoast clubs" - that would exclude Edmonton.

If true it would be two of Vancouver, San Jose, Anaheim, and Los Angeles.
Why would you think L.A. would be involved? The Kings are overloaded with Right Wingers.

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The rumour is "two westcoast clubs" - that would exclude Edmonton.

If true it would be two of Vancouver, San Jose, Anaheim, and Los Angeles.
Ahhh, being stuck 'on the coast' you may have missed geography lessons but the 'West Coast' doesn't necessarelly mean along the shore line. Alberta, as well as Sask, Man and BC are on the "West Coast" of Canada....you know, west of Ontario..It doesn't have to be taken literally...

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Anyone who doesn't understand that Kane is much better than Kessel is out to lunch.

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Kane is better than Kessel.

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How about Phoenix? We have $4 million that we were apparently trying to get Tanguay with, we have Calgary's first, and then maybe somebody like Porter?

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Because first Kessel would actually want to sign that deal, and second Boston matches and you get nothing for your efforts (except to keep your draft picks). Boston then has to clear salary before the start of the season, which is a crappy position to be in, but I think if Boston wanted just those picks for Kessel they would have already offloaded him in a trade for something similar.
This got me thinking, if the contract talks continue to stall and no trade is made, what if this goes right up to the start of the season and then someone makes an offer sheet? This is something that has been done before. The natural assumption is that if a team offers the 1st/2nd/3rd package to my cap tight team, my team will still match and just move other players to clear space. Teams know this and aren't going to send Kessel a $4.5M offer (or whatever the 1st/2nd/3rd max compensation is).

But what if the start of the season is tomorrow? It's one thing to have two months to clear cap space, its another to get it done by tomorrow. If we're talking West Coast then a team like LA has the space to add Kessel now without moving any salary. Now in all likelihood Chiarelli will get something done before, but with the clock ticking it's no guarantee.

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Phil Kessel to Detroit (e4). Give it a few days.

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"Edmonton - Probably would want Cogliano + Eberly + pick"

For some reason i see Edmonton slightly overpaying for Kessel as they were not able to land Heatley or any other scoring forwards.

I Beleive Smid + Eberly + Pick would also work. Boston would need to add a pick back and also sign Smid to fit in there salary cap (I belive they have 1.7 cap space).
Exactly the deal i thought of from an Edmonton perspective though i doubt the oilers would be will to give their first up as two former first rounders are already in this deal. I'd Assume the B's fans think:

Smid, Eberle, 2nd For Kessel

is not enough??

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san jose and edmonton.

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I thought the Leafs wanted Kessell+Boston's 1st for kaberle.
Would not surprise me if the deal originally was kaberle and toronto's 1st for kessel and then the feces for a human being burke had second thoughts and purposely leaked the names to the media.

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