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08-03-2009, 08:27 PM
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Zherdev to Toronto

Its beginning to look like Zherdev won't have much of a future in New York.

What if New York does sign him, for a sign and trade type deal.

What would be fair value?

White and Stempniak for Zheredev and 4th 2010?

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08-03-2009, 08:28 PM
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Zheredev is the antithesis of a Brian Burke player.

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if you just made up that deal good job cause it was mentioned on hockey buzz i think.. (not ek)
not sure if i'd want to give up one of our hardest working guys (white) for a less than hard working zherdev

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change white for prospect?

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Luke Schenn for Zherdev straight up

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Zheredev is the antithesis of a Brian Burke player.
I'll bet you that in Burkes time in Toronto, he will make a deal for a player thats similar to Zherdev (skilled/inconsistant).

This whole "not a burke type player" thing is really getting out of hand.

Anyways I'd deal White in a second for Zherdev.

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Then we do a zherdev for kovalev swap

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if you just made up that deal good job cause it was mentioned on hockey buzz i think.. (not ek)
not sure if i'd want to give up one of our hardest working guys (white) for a less than hard working zherdev
I actually posted this on the Trade thread back on the leafs forum this morning. I don't go to Hockeybuzz.

But on the trade thread I made it a 3rd 2010 instead of a 4th.


Zheredev is a missing peice for the leafs. We don't need an Ian white of a Lee Stempniak.

Zheredev would bring much needed offense and scoring ability to this team. He played two way hockey (I beleive... NYR fans can correct me if I'm wrong), he would a key part that we're currently lacking on our PP, and he'd be solid in Shootouts.

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I'll bet you that in Burkes time in Toronto, he will make a deal for a player thats similar to Zherdev (skilled/inconsistant).

This whole "not a burke type player" thing is really getting out of hand.
He's the one who said (and keeps saying) it. Not like the fans made it up. I don't think we'll see any semi-disinterested player not named Stefonovich in the Leafs lineup while Burke is here.

How many did he have in Anaheim?

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I actually posted this on the Trade thread back on the leafs forum this morning. I don't go to Hockeybuzz.

But on the trade thread I made it a 3rd 2010 instead of a 4th.


Zheredev is a missing peice for the leafs. We don't need an Ian white of a Lee Stempniak.

Zheredev would bring much needed offense and scoring ability to this team. He played two way hockey (I beleive... NYR fans can correct me if I'm wrong), he would a key part that we're currently lacking on our PP, and he'd be solid in Shootouts.
I agree with every word you said

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Zheredev is the antithesis of a Brian Burke player.
I really don't see that.

Burke likes skilled top six forwards. Zherdev shows emotion on the ice, he will stick up for himself and fight if needed, he'll be a little pest to other teams.

I honestly think that he'd be a solid part of our rebuild....

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I actually posted this on the Trade thread back on the leafs forum this morning. I don't go to Hockeybuzz.

But on the trade thread I made it a 3rd 2010 instead of a 4th.


Zheredev is a missing peice for the leafs. We don't need an Ian white of a Lee Stempniak.

Zheredev would bring much needed offense and scoring ability to this team. He played two way hockey (I beleive... NYR fans can correct me if I'm wrong), he would a key part that we're currently lacking on our PP, and he'd be solid in Shootouts.
He looked good for most of the season under Renney, under Torts it was a different beast.

I would do something like White + 3rd '10 for Zherdev but the Rangers have no need for another 3rd line forward making too much money and Kotalik will be the forward on the PP point already anyways. That deal looks pretty fair to me.

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He's the one who said (and keeps saying) it. Not like the fans made it up. I don't think we'll see any semi-disinterested player not named Stefonovich in the Leafs lineup while Burke is here.

How many did he have in Anaheim?
Explain to me why Stefonovich is any different then Zherdev?

Stefonovich is actually the softer of the two players.

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I could see Zherdev going to Toronto for a few reasons.

They have a very sad looking top 6. Zherdev, although not ideal for the Leafs, is a nice stop gap for a year. On the Leafs he'd be top 3 easily. He'd provide offense and the Leafs wouldn't be stuck with him long term.

Plus, he's good friends with Sather. NYR probably won't be getting anything of substance back but at least it's something.

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I really don't see that.

Burke likes skilled top six forwards. Zherdev shows emotion on the ice, he will stick up for himself and fight if needed, he'll be a little pest to other teams.

I honestly think that he'd be a solid part of our rebuild....
Zherdev has 1 fight in his entire career.

He can be a bit fesity and when he is playing well he does show quite a bit of emotion but when things dont go well he shows that too. I think it is more immaturity than anything else but he has to learn to not show so much and stay a little more even keel, but that will come in time.

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He looked good for most of the season under Renney, under Torts it was a different beast.

I would do something like White + 3rd '10 for Zherdev but the Rangers have no need for another 3rd line forward making too much money and Kotalik will be the forward on the PP point already anyways. That deal looks pretty fair to me.
Any way we can make a trade without giving up any picks?

White and (Insert Prospect or Player here) for Zheredev

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Zheredev is the antithesis of a Brian Burke player.
Came here to post that

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He played two way hockey
Not something he's known for.

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Explain to me why Stefonovich is any different then Zherdev?

Stefonovich is actually the softer of the two players.
He's different because he's already Leaf property. He'll use what he has (if Stefonovich even makes it), but I don't see him going out and acquiring a player with those issues. For as much as Burke brings up the word "character" with all his signings and trades, I just don't see him changing his mind for another project and possible fringe star-forward at this point.

You'll notice that there aren't many Zheredev fans in New York.

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Zherdev has 1 fight in his entire career.

He can be a bit fesity and when he is playing well he does show quite a bit of emotion but when things dont go well he shows that too. I think it is more immaturity than anything else but he has to learn to not show so much and stay a little more even keel, but that will come in time.
Yeah, I know. But basicly what I'm saying is that he won't take S_ _ _ from anybody.


Also, after what we've seen what Ron Wilson has done with Grabovski and his "questionable character", I have 100% faith that Ron Wilson could handle and help Zherdev reach his full potential.

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Any way we can make a trade without giving up any picks?

White and (Insert Prospect or Player here) for Zheredev
Unfortunately I am not knowledgable when it comes to Toronto's prospects. I wouldnt think they would need a defensive prospect as they have a ton already but a high-end forward prospect would be nice. They have enough lower line forwards as well.

I honestly believe Zherdev will be a good player where he ends up, its just that he doesnt really fit with the way Torts wants to play. Not a knock against him, just doesnt work where he is.

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hahaha! a rock solid back end combined with an offense led by grabovski and zherdev? i like it. and i m a habs fan.

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I actually posted this on the Trade thread back on the leafs forum this morning. I don't go to Hockeybuzz.

But on the trade thread I made it a 3rd 2010 instead of a 4th.


Zheredev is a missing peice for the leafs. We don't need an Ian white of a Lee Stempniak.

Zheredev would bring much needed offense and scoring ability to this team. He played two way hockey (I beleive... NYR fans can correct me if I'm wrong), he would a key part that we're currently lacking on our PP, and he'd be solid in Shootouts.
The Rangers 3rd round pick went to the Kings for Boyle

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you are not getting White for a headcase.

You want a D-men? How about MVR + a conditional pick. Z's value is much to low to give up a young sub-1M defensemen

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