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08-03-2009, 09:00 PM
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you are not getting White for a headcase.

You want a D-men? How about MVR + a conditional pick. Z's value is much to low to give up a young sub-1M defensemen
Im sorry, who is MVR?

Also, Zherdev's value isnt that low, sorry, this isnt a Heatley type scenario.

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08-03-2009, 09:03 PM
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I'd love to see the Leafs do this deal, even without the 4th.

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Burke isnt going to deal for Zherdev....

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No need for Stemps. Take away NYR pick and add pick to Leafs something like White + pick for Zherdev. I'm a big Ian White fan, I think he can become a very good player.

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Im sorry, who is MVR?

Also, Zherdev's value isnt that low, sorry, this isnt a Heatley type scenario.
mike van ryan. He is worth 3.5M when healthy (gets paid under 3M) but has major injury issues.

If the rangers are offering Z on the trade block, what do u want in return? Instead of us leaf fans offering crap like jeff finger, give us an idea of what you are looking for.

Keep in mind we are going to be reluctant to trade prospects/picks due to our re-building process.

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you are not getting White for a headcase.

You want a D-men? How about MVR + a conditional pick. Z's value is much to low to give up a young sub-1M defensemen
He's not a headcase really at all...

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08-03-2009, 09:08 PM
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He's not a headcase really at all...
A lot of the people who call Zherdev a headcase are simply on a bandwagon. I call him a headcase, but I see him play nearly as much as you do.

Zherdev is a stereotypical 80's European hockey player. He needs to work on checking - both fore and back. He also needs to work on passing instead of trying an extra move. Zherdev can be a great player if he works through these things.

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08-03-2009, 09:10 PM
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A lot of the people who call Zherdev a headcase are simply on a bandwagon. I call him a headcase, but I see him play nearly as much as you do.

Zherdev is a stereotypical 80's European hockey player. He needs to work on checking - both fore and back. He also needs to work on passing instead of trying an extra move. Zherdev can be a great player if he works through these things.
Very true, but that does not make him a head case, just one-dimensional. When I think of headcase I think lockerroom cancer, ala Avery in DAL/LA/DET

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A lot of the people who call Zherdev a headcase are simply on a bandwagon. I call him a headcase, but I see him play nearly as much as you do.

Zherdev is a stereotypical 80's European hockey player. He needs to work on checking - both fore and back. He also needs to work on passing instead of trying an extra move. Zherdev can be a great player if he works through these things.
Agree with this, but Zherdev is actually better at backchecking than most think. I was pleasantly surprised with his backchecking and defensive play, although turnovers are sometimes an issue.

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08-03-2009, 09:19 PM
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I read TSN in another dimension, it said Burke traded for a disinterested russian with a big ego.

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A lot of the people who call Zherdev a headcase are simply on a bandwagon. I call him a headcase, but I see him play nearly as much as you do.

Zherdev is a stereotypical 80's European hockey player. He needs to work on checking - both fore and back. He also needs to work on passing instead of trying an extra move. Zherdev can be a great player if he works through these things.
Nothing Ron Wilson can't fix

Would White and Oreskovic do the trick? Oreskovic is still a prospect, but is very close to being NHL quality right now IMO (As a #6 defencman), but he has no chance of making our team through the depth we have. He's big, physical defensive defencman and can clear people away from the goaltender. I was very impressed with the games I saw last season.

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08-03-2009, 09:28 PM
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Nothing Ron Wilson can't fix

Would White and Oreskovic do the trick? Oreskovic is still a prospect, but is very close to being NHL quality right now IMO (As a #6 defencman), but he has no chance of making our team through the depth we have. He's big, physical defensive defencman and can clear people away from the goaltender. I was very impressed with the games I saw last season.
probably not. We have ALOT of young defensive depth right now;

NHL Ready depth:

Redden
Rozsival
Staal
Girardi
Gilroy
Potter
Sauer
Heikkinen

1-3 Years:

Del Zotto
Sanguinetti
Kundratek
Williams
Dowzak

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Nothing Ron Wilson can't fix

Would White and Oreskovic do the trick? Oreskovic is still a prospect, but is very close to being NHL quality right now IMO (As a #6 defencman), but he has no chance of making our team through the depth we have. He's big, physical defensive defencman and can clear people away from the goaltender. I was very impressed with the games I saw last season.
The rangers are even stronger then the leafs in defense propects
Gilroy
Del Zotto
Sangs
Staal
Girardi
Williams
McDonagh

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probably not. We have ALOT of young defensive depth right now;

NHL Ready depth:

Redden
Rozsival
Staal
Girardi
Gilroy
Potter
Sauer
Heikkinen

1-3 Years:

Del Zotto
Sanguinetti
Kundratek
Williams
Dowzak
Beat me to it

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08-03-2009, 09:35 PM
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Just say no. When will Leaf fans learn.

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If I were looking out for Zherdev's best interest, I would keep him as a Ranger. I think a disciplinarian (Tortorella) could make a huge difference.

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08-03-2009, 09:39 PM
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I would be interested in a skilled forward like Zherdev , but I doubt Burke would be since he does have an attitude problem .....

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The rangers are even stronger then the leafs in defense propects
Gilroy
Del Zotto
Sangs
Staal
Girardi
Williams
McDonagh
Damn that is a pretty solid core of defensive prospects , and I am sure Henrik Lundqvist is smiling lol

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probably not. We have ALOT of young defensive depth right now;

NHL Ready depth:

Redden
Rozsival
Staal
Girardi
Gilroy
Potter
Sauer
Heikkinen

1-3 Years:

Del Zotto
Sanguinetti
Kundratek
Williams
Dowzak
Fair enough. My bad!

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08-03-2009, 09:46 PM
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Its beginning to look like Zherdev won't have much of a future in New York.

What if New York does sign him, for a sign and trade type deal.

What would be fair value?

White and Stempniak for Zheredev and 4th 2010?
Horrible, terrible trade for the Rangers. I'd do it if Toronto threw in a second rounder and a decent prospect.

I am not trading a 24 year for a 26 year old when the former scores almost twice as much as the latter one.

Stemp brings nothing that the Rangers don't already have. The Rangers would be trading a borderline 1/2 line player for a borderline 2/3 liner. That's not even close.

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Zherdev to Toronto proposals = infinite

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Horrible, terrible trade for the Rangers. I'd do it if Toronto threw in a second rounder and a decent prospect.

I am not trading a 24 year for a 26 year old when the former scores almost twice as much as the latter one.

Stemp brings nothing that the Rangers don't already have. The Rangers would be trading a borderline 1/2 line player for a borderline 2/3 liner. That's not even close.
White is also a quality 2nd pairing defencman, who is younger than both players. Plus his mustache is sick

I've been throwing out proposals left and right,so I won't anymore. May I ask you, who would you like:

One of White, Finger, Van Ryn packaged with a forward... (Stajan, Stempniak, Hagman or somone around that skillset), or come up with your own, and I'll evaluate it.

There is a lot of talk that NYR won't accept that 3.9 mil, so getting Stempniak and White out of the deal would be good for New York.

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08-03-2009, 09:55 PM
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The rangers are even stronger then the leafs in defense propects
Gilroy
Del Zotto
Sangs
Staal
Girardi
Williams
McDonagh
LOL, that's not difficult at all... the only true defense prospect we have is Jesse Blacker. Dmitri Vorobiev is good, but will never come to North America, and Schenn has already played too many games to be considered a prospect by HF standards.

But back to Zherdev... While I'd like it if Burke went after him if he became a UFA, I wouldn't trade a whole lot to get him... Maybe something like Stajan/Ponikarovsky+Frogren

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Just say no. When will Leaf fans learn.
Haha learn about what?

Since when was trading for a 24 year old highly skilled player something the leafs are so prone to doing?

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White is also a quality 2nd pairing defencman, who is younger than both players. Plus his mustache is sick

I've been throwing out proposals left and right,so I won't anymore. May I ask you, who would you like:

One of White, Finger, Van Ryn packaged with a forward... (Stajan, Stempniak, Hagman or somone around that skillset), or come up with your own, and I'll evaluate it.

There is a lot of talk that NYR won't accept that 3.9 mil, so getting Stempniak and White out of the deal would be good for New York.
I have said it before, something along the lines of White and a prospect with a 2nd line ceiling as a forward would be good IMO. Unfortunately I dont know much about the Leafs prospects. Just taking a look at HF's prospect rankings what about something like this?

White + D'Amigo for Zherdev?

The reason the Rangers wouldnt take Stemps is because of his salary and the fact that they have enough wingers without adding another one.

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White is also a quality 2nd pairing defencman, who is younger than both players. Plus his mustache is sick

I've been throwing out proposals left and right,so I won't anymore. May I ask you, who would you like:

One of White, Finger, Van Ryn packaged with a forward... (Stajan, Stempniak, Hagman or somone around that skillset), or come up with your own, and I'll evaluate it.

There is a lot of talk that NYR won't accept that 3.9 mil, so getting Stempniak and White out of the deal would be good for New York.
White, Stajan for Z-man, I doubt Montreal would do that.

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