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08-03-2009, 08:52 PM
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I don't know what that report is really saying...

If Stajan produced around half his points with the Antropov and Ponikarovsky line which he played about half the season with... how did he rely on Antropov and Ponikarovsky? He recorded his other half with different players (And worse players).


So this report is telling me that Stajan can produce with different players, and produce 2nd line numbers at that....


Personally. I think that Stajan is a 2nd line centerman, and a good one at that. He has a good two way game, good playmaking skills, good awarness, and is physical. He does everything well... just not great. What else do you want from a 2nd line winger. (edit: Centre)


Now, will Stajan get these oppertunities again is another question.
Anyone?


I'm still confused on this.

The report is saying that Stajan relied on Antropov and Ponikarovsky.
-It states that Stajan played with Antropov and Ponikarovsky more than any other pairing, which is true.
- This is also when Stajan got most of his icetime.


But from my memory, didn't Stajan play roughly half the season with Antropov and Ponikarovsky. Maybe a bit more.... but he produced 47% of his points with this line... meaning he produced 53% with the likes of Hagman, Blake, Stempniak, Deveaux, Devereaux and Hamilton.

So how does this mean that Stajan relied on Antropov and Ponikarovsky?

This also means that he can adapt with different wingers, and he can still produce 2nd line numbers with them.


I really don't understand what this article is getting at....
Sorry guys. I'm not trying to sound like an Arse, or act as a Broken record, but I'm truley puzzled by this.

Do any of you guys have an answer? Or do you all agree that he can produce 2nd line numbers given 2nd line oppertunities?

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08-03-2009, 09:05 PM
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Sorry guys. I'm not trying to sound like an Arse, or act as a Broken record, but I'm truley puzzled by this.

Do any of you guys have an answer? Or do you all agree that he can produce 2nd line numbers given 2nd line oppertunities?
Yeah, but I wouldn't place him on a cup winning team's second line.

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08-03-2009, 09:17 PM
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08-03-2009, 09:24 PM
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i expect him to be traded
we have enough soft 2nd liners

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08-03-2009, 09:32 PM
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i expect him to be traded
we have enough soft 2nd liners
Thats why he lead the Leafs forward with hits - with 116.

120th in the league.

73rd among forwards

20th among centers

Look at the company he's with:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/app?service=p...sort=hits&pg=5


I think its safe to say we can at least graduate that "soft" labell to "not very physical"... at the very least.

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08-03-2009, 09:44 PM
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Thats why he lead the Leafs forward with hits - with 116.

120th in the league.

73rd among forwards

20th among centers

Look at the company he's with:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/app?service=p...sort=hits&pg=5


I think its safe to say we can at least graduate that "soft" labell to "not very physical"... at the very least.
that's pretty sad.

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08-03-2009, 09:47 PM
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Serious who knows with Kubina and Moore not on the team?

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08-03-2009, 09:48 PM
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that's pretty sad.
explain, how is that exactly 'sad'?
maybe strive to contribute more to a thread than , 'traded', and 'that's pretty sad.'

i wouldn't have expected those numbers out of stajan.
I think this year is up to him. He is a UFA at years end. My gut tells me he will have to have a hell of a season for Burke to table an offer.

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08-03-2009, 10:22 PM
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Stajan was hit hard by the loss of Antropov .. Matty only scored 1 goal in the last 19 games after Nik was traded and found himself soon centering the 3rd line after playing with Ant and Pony most of the season.

In fact only 1 goal in the final 23 games and I think that is going to spell the end for him.. That is not the kind of production a team would want from a TOP 6 player and one of our top 2 centers. Combine that with the fact he is soft and not a Burke style player and I think the end in drawing near for Stajan..

Bozak will enter camp in direct competition to take his job and with Wallin and Primeau holding down the bottom 6 center spots and Johnny Mitchell also available. So just don't see a fit here anymore.

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08-03-2009, 10:24 PM
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i think he's going to develop into a solid 45pt 3rd liner with selke potential... might just be me, but i think he's a keeper

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08-03-2009, 10:30 PM
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Watching him play for years. I don't think Stajan is a top six forward, and he's not really third line material, based on what Burke wants. Stajan is average on the PK, below average on the PP (I actually cringe watching him), weak in the corners and has limited offensive upside. I see him being traded, but if that doesn't happen, the only way I see him getting big ice time is if we try to pad his numbers for a later trade.

I don't hate Stajan, but he's just so average and he's not getting any better. I could care less what he did last year, because you're pretty much guaranteed that production playing top line minutes, between Poni and Antro. That's a big whoop for me. I'd rather give one of the kids a shot than have Stajan filling a role.
Ponikarovsky and Antropov are only ever any good when discussing how phenomenally below average Matt Stajan is in these threads.

Why is that?

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I'm thinking something along the lines of last year and more likely a little less offensively productive. Matty Stajan is a what you see is what you get type of player so I don't really expect him to knock my socks off.

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08-03-2009, 10:57 PM
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that's pretty sad.
I know, I mean it's only a few more than the leader of that pathetic franchise in Detroit.

As for what I expect. It depends on his role, which is unknown at this point. If he gets decent linemates, 50 points, if he plays on the 3rd line with whatever is left (like the end of last year) 35-40 points. Either way I expect ugotbeef to complain about him all season long.

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08-03-2009, 11:05 PM
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Traded if Bozak shows a pulse.

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08-03-2009, 11:08 PM
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i see around 45 points as most people think but, i don't think he will be traded before the season i think he'll be traded at the deadline because he's decent and will probably have decent numbers. Then i think Burke will try to receive a 2nd rd pick for him. I think this is the best root to take with him if we don't expect him to be on this team for the long haul.

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08-03-2009, 11:47 PM
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I'm going to say 15-35. I don't think he's pretty expendable, to be honest.

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He'll get like 10 goals and 20 assists. Hes ****

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To be fair, Stajan plays fairly well when he plays 20 minutes a game. But there is an inherent problem with having Matt Stajan playing that much as he is not a 1st line centre. If he could translate his game into being 3rd/4th line for 10 minutes a game and PK, he could be a really quality player when he isnt relied on for being a top player.
Keep in mind 20 minutes a game does not necessarily constitute first line center minutes. Jordan Staal averages 20 minutes a game and is Pittsburgh's 3rd center. Stajan averaged 16:55 this year. I have no idea what to expect out of Stajan this year. I am hoping for another 55 point season, I like Matt alot, and those are pretty good numbers for a second line center on a majority of teams, but I am not convinced it will happen again. I will wait and see I suppose. Long term he may not be a part of this team, and that could even be the trade deadline, but short term, I can't see any of the kids running him out of a job, unless it is strictly for progression purposes. Several years of NHL experience and coming off a 55 point season at this point I still feel distance him from guys who have yet to play a single professional game.

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If they don't aquire another top 6 center I expect Stajan will manage 50+ pts. I think he is not BBs type of guy but Burke will not play someone like Bozak ahead of him unless Stajan has a meltdown or an injury in camp.

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Ponikarovsky and Antropov are only ever any good when discussing how phenomenally below average Matt Stajan is in these threads.

Why is that?
yeah, isn't that funny Moose how out of one side of the mouth Poni and Antro are worthless but yet out of the other side they are the sole reason for all of more than 1 players successes.

entertaining if nothing else.

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08-04-2009, 08:28 AM
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matt stajan will score 3 X ATOI points this season and 1 X ATOI goals or therea(very)bouts. just my opinion tho, i'm just a leaf fan...

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08-04-2009, 08:48 AM
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I know, I mean it's only a few more than the leader of that pathetic franchise in Detroit.

As for what I expect. It depends on his role, which is unknown at this point. If he gets decent linemates, 50 points, if he plays on the 3rd line with whatever is left (like the end of last year) 35-40 points. Either way I expect ugotbeef to complain about him all season long.
considering that you have a 6"4 player in Poni that should be more physical for his size, yes it is sad. When your most physical player among forwards is Stajan, I'll question the toughness of the team.

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considering that you have a 6"4 player in Poni that should be more physical for his size, yes it is sad. When your most physical player among forwards is Stajan, I'll question the toughness of the team.
heh, congrats, you properly used 'your'.
this is a thread about stajan. you quoted stajan stats by saying 'that's pretty sad'. obviously it would mean poni doesn't play physical. i mean just how dumb is this fanbase anyways?
read more, post less. just a thought.

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08-04-2009, 09:20 AM
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considering that you have a 6"4 player in Poni that should be more physical for his size, yes it is sad. When your most physical player among forwards is Stajan, I'll question the toughness of the team.
Stajan thread, you post it's sad. It's a good stat for him and we weren't a physical team last year. That was obvious and has been addressed. Not sure why you're still harping on it.

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I don't expect much from Stajan. I think his numbers will regress slightly from last year.

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