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08-04-2009, 08:03 AM
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I applaud you, but I won't be joining you in your enthusiasm. It's clearly not up to the fans at this point.
While in a worst case scenario the fans may not be able to save the team, they most certainly can make the decision seem like the right one if they turn their back on the team now.

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With all the concessions the City of Glendale is being asked to make, maybe the City should demand an equity stake in the Coyotes. Heck, buy the team outright and make it a community-based team like the Packers or the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the CFL. Open the team up to public ownership. Winnipeg fans ponied up $3 million to try to keep the Jets in their town: how much are Phoenix fans prepared to do to keep their team?

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With all the concessions the City of Glendale is being asked to make, maybe the City should demand an equity stake in the Coyotes. Heck, buy the team outright and make it a community-based team like the Packers or the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the CFL. Open the team up to public ownership. Winnipeg fans ponied up $3 million to try to keep the Jets in their town: how much are Phoenix fans prepared to do to keep their team?
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It appears there are no white hats on any of these cowboys:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2009-...s-connection/1

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"But even Resnik doesn't put Kaites and Reinsdorf into negotiations with the city until February. Yet Beasley's calendar shows that the Reinsdorf and Kaites were in the loop as early as December. And some new information makes me suspect that Beacon's hire was little more than a setup to bring in Reinsdorf and Kaites which puts the duo in the picture even earlier."

Good to know. Now it's pretty much confirmed that Reinsdorf's threats to pull out are just a negotiating tactic. I find it highly unlikely Reinsdorf would consider giving up this quickly if he's been involved since as early as last year.

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08-04-2009, 12:11 PM
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AHA HA!!! Shoaltz was wrong, he said back then that Reinz wouldn't be interested in buying the team... AHAAA!! Sorry minor victory.

Still pisses me off that despite all that had been going on since Oct 08 to may 5th 2009, that the teams PR & Staff in effect lied to all of us in saying that the team is ok and will be here for years to come. I'm sorry I'm still a little miffed at the franchise for that.

Although as far as reporting quality goes; the New Times is worst quality than the Globe & Mail. If they even produce articles, It's hard to find them when I have to sift threw page after page of advertising for porn and and car stereo companies.

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Will Bidwell and the Cardinals securing legal representation to oppose the potential concessions to the JR group be the last straw to make Reinsdorf pull out?

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And we may not have a final answer by Sept. 10. But no way team going anywhere this year, and that makes me happy. Call it lame duck if you want, but I'll be in my seats doing whatever I can to keep the 'Yotes here, and I hope others will do the same. We can't control the future, but we sure as hell can step up and make it harder for that relo decision to be made.
See you there!

To hell with Moyes and all the jerks tryin to take away my hockey. I am down for that last ride into the sunset if, indeed, it is that last ride. I'm not going away quietly, if I gotta lose 'em... it will be tooth n nail til the bitter end.

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It appears there are no white hats on any of these cowboys:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2009-...s-connection/1
Are there ever in a forced BK slash and burn type situation? I read this too (page 4) and let me tell you... the Coalition received no interference/help/whatever from Reinsdorf or the City for the rally... IDK what happened to that 'make it maximum impact' thing LOL (its the new times... surprised there was no inference that Arpeio had a hand in these supposedly nefarious doings)

Its funny... if Glendale Hockey does back out, the Ice Edge Guys may end up being the only shot we have... good thing they are in it for the love of the game as well as the bucks. maybe they'll stick to it and give us a fighting chance (I know... Pollyanna speaking from behind her rose colored glasses)

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While in a worst case scenario the fans may not be able to save the team, they most certainly can make the decision seem like the right one if they turn their back on the team now.
But, who's team is it now? Who am I supporting?

I can't personally justify paying money until these questions are answered. Once that happens, I will go all out, but for now. I'm waiting to see how it unfolds.

It isn't turning one's back on the team, what is the team? I don't cheer for the Coyotes.. I cheer for the Phoenix Coyotes, a local hockey entity. If that isn't firmly in place. Why am I cheering? I'm not one to get attached to players, I'm a homer fan. I cheer for the City and nothing else so if that is in jeopardy, or a in a temporary (1 year) situation. Why am I cheering?

I can accept a 5 year window, hell.. a 3 year window of real effort by a new ownership group.. and have always said that if the fans still don't show.. Phoenix doesn't deserve a NHL team.

But I do need a commitment from ownership, and a handful of years guaranteed.

I desperately want the Coyotes to stay at Westgate this year and the future, a large part of the reason I moved here was to watch the Coyotes and invest in the team financially and emotionally because in the past my only connection to them was watching on Center Ice, now i'm here and they possibly could be moved. It's just awful. Many a winter nights i'd watch FSN-AZ in Calgary wishing I could be at Westgate going to games for years and years, now.. who knows.

I have nothing bad to say about folks who will go all out this year, I just find it hard to do that personally without some things cleared up first.


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08-04-2009, 02:24 PM
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But, who's team is it now? Who am I supporting?

I can't personally justify paying money until these questions are answered. Once that happens, I will go all out, but for now. I'm waiting to see how it unfolds.

It isn't turning one's back on the team, what is the team? I don't cheer for the Coyotes.. I cheer for the Phoenix Coyotes, a local hockey entity. If that isn't firmly in place. Why am I cheering? I'm not one to get attached to players, I'm a homer fan. I cheer for the City and nothing else so if that is in jeopardy, or a in a temporary (1 year) situation. Why am I cheering?

I can accept a 5 year window, hell.. a 3 year window of real effort by a new ownership group.. and have always said that if the fans still don't show.. Phoenix doesn't deserve a NHL team.

But I do need a commitment from ownership, and a handful of years guaranteed.
You're supporting NHL hockey in Phoenix for the 2009-10 season, the NHL in its fight to keep the team here, and Shane Doan and his teammates who want to stay and play in Phoenix.

Crap attendance for any reason this season will do nothing to help save the team, only hurt its chance of staying.

If you're going to sit on the side and wait until all the I's are dotted and T's crossed, fine. I understand your position. But I'm not willing to risk being another reason post May 5, 2009, to justify the 'Yotes leaving.

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Crap attendance for any reason this season will do nothing to help save the team, only hurt its chance of staying.

If you're going to sit on the side and wait until all the I's are dotted and T's crossed, fine. I understand your position. But I'm not willing to risk being another reason post May 5, 2009, to justify the 'Yotes leaving.


I agree. We can only hurt the Coyotes chances of remaining by waiting to see what happens. They will be here this year....for sure. Filling those seats can only send the right message to all potential owners and the NHL. We have our seats and will be there all season.

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But, who's team is it now? Who am I supporting?
Who goes to games to cheer for an ownership group? You're supporting the guys in the uniforms, not the guys in the suits.

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AHA HA!!! Shoaltz was wrong, he said back then that Reinz wouldn't be interested in buying the team... AHAAA!! Sorry minor victory.

Still pisses me off that despite all that had been going on since Oct 08 to may 5th 2009, that the teams PR & Staff in effect lied to all of us in saying that the team is ok and will be here for years to come. I'm sorry I'm still a little miffed at the franchise for that.

Although as far as reporting quality goes; the New Times is worst quality than the Globe & Mail. If they even produce articles, It's hard to find them when I have to sift threw page after page of advertising for porn and and car stereo companies.
The team was quietly being shopped as early as March of 2008.

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Who goes to games to cheer for an ownership group? You're supporting the guys in the uniforms, not the guys in the suits.
I for one don't want to give another dime of my hard earned money to Jerry Moyes.

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It appears there are no white hats on any of these cowboys:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2009-...s-connection/1
What makes the NewTimes' opinion piece a poor example of journalism is with all the documents requested and all the questions asked it missed one critical fact:

Michael Reinsdorf and IFG were hired by the City of Glendale in 2001 when the Glendale Arena project was just an idea. The City hired IFG to serve as the full time, on-site consultant on the Arena project, and IFG supervised the project from the bidding process, awarding contracts, overseeing construction, and project completion.

That's why the City went back to IFG in 2004 for the Cardinals stadium project, and why it kept up its relationship with IFG for 8 years.

To imply, as the article does, that IFG got involved with the Coyotes in 2008 and then nefariously conspired with the City to get Daddy Reinsdorf a sweet deal is ludicrous. No one, other than the COG, was more familiar with the intimate details of the COG and its relationship with the Coyotes and the Arena than Michael Reinsdorf and IFG.

So, when Moyes announces at the beginning of the season he's done and walking away, of course Michael Reinsdorf would pick up the phone and call his dad, long before the NHL would have reached out.

I love the NewTimes as an alternative newspaper, but they dropped the puck on this story.

...Move along, nothing to see here, these are not the drones you're looking for...

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The team was quietly being shopped as early as March of 2008.
Have a link for that assertion? I'd love to read about that.

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"But even Resnik doesn't put Kaites and Reinsdorf into negotiations with the city until February. Yet Beasley's calendar shows that the Reinsdorf and Kaites were in the loop as early as December. And some new information makes me suspect that Beacon's hire was little more than a setup to bring in Reinsdorf and Kaites — which puts the duo in the picture even earlier."

Good to know. Now it's pretty much confirmed that Reinsdorf's threats to pull out are just a negotiating tactic. I find it highly unlikely Reinsdorf would consider giving up this quickly if he's been involved since as early as last year.
I don't know if Beasley's calendar comes with an agenda but wasn't the White Sox's Spring Training facility being built in December? Could JR have been in town for that? The City of Glendale and JR have had a business relationship for a while and to assume everytime they met it must have been about the Coyotes is a little premature.

Note: I have not read the whole article but this part did catch my eye. So if I have missed proof of some kind, I apologize.

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I for one don't want to give another dime of my hard earned money to Jerry Moyes.
And you won't when you go to Coyotes games this year. All revenues this year will pay to operate the team here this year. Moyes won't see a dime of your money or mine. He put the team in bankruptcy. The NHL has revoked his rights of ownership. If a sale isn't complete by the start of the season, the NHL will own and run the team until a buyer is found.

I understand the concern that if you buy a ticket and Moyes ends up getting something in bankruptcy you'll feel like it was your money. But it isn't. Even if we sell out every game and go deep into the playoffs, any "profit" is already pledged to the NHL and Dell's group.

And you know the NHL will do everything it legally can to assure that Moyes gets nothing, even if it means tying him up in court for years. Who has deeper pockets to pay legal bills?

So, renew your damn tickets!

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I don't know if Beasley's calendar comes with an agenda but wasn't the White Sox's Spring Training facility being built in December? Could JR have been in town for that? The City of Glendale and JR have had a business relationship for a while and to assume everytime they met it must have been about the Coyotes is a little premature.

Note: I have not read the whole article but this part did catch my eye. So if I have missed proof of some kind, I apologize.
Great point. I'm sure if that question had been asked the response would have been reported in the story.

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Who goes to games to cheer for an ownership group? You're supporting the guys in the uniforms, not the guys in the suits.
I didn't really say that.. I told you, I support the NHL in Phoenix. To do so without a relatively secure future, is hard for me to accept because as I said, I only cheer for Phoenix, as an NHL team. I don't really cheer for the players specifically. I'll have my favorite's (Boedker, Yandle, Bryz) but that's not who i'm really cheering for. I want the city of Phoenix to be on the NHL map, and to be successful on the ice. Who is wearing the uniforms, only matters to me when it comes to making Phoenix a winning team, so I cheer on the players who are playing hard to make the Phoenix Coyotes a winning team.

In a sense, I will be cheering for an ownership group.. because they are the people who should be leading the charge to make the Phoenix Coyotes a winner, and i'd want their efforts to be rewarded.

So clearly, going nuts for the Coyotes for one year only doesn't jive with my philosophy.

I should add that, if relocation is off the table.. I will go nuts next season and likely get my season tickets. If it is on the table, that's another story.


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But, who's team is it now? Who am I supporting?

I can't personally justify paying money until these questions are answered. Once that happens, I will go all out, but for now. I'm waiting to see how it unfolds.

It isn't turning one's back on the team, what is the team? I don't cheer for the Coyotes.. I cheer for the Phoenix Coyotes, a local hockey entity. If that isn't firmly in place. Why am I cheering? I'm not one to get attached to players, I'm a homer fan. I cheer for the City and nothing else so if that is in jeopardy, or a in a temporary (1 year) situation. Why am I cheering?

I can accept a 5 year window, hell.. a 3 year window of real effort by a new ownership group.. and have always said that if the fans still don't show.. Phoenix doesn't deserve a NHL team.

But I do need a commitment from ownership, and a handful of years guaranteed.

I desperately want the Coyotes to stay at Westgate this year and the future, a large part of the reason I moved here was to watch the Coyotes and invest in the team financially and emotionally because in the past my only connection to them was watching on Center Ice, now i'm here and they possibly could be moved. It's just awful. Many a winter nights i'd watch FSN-AZ in Calgary wishing I could be at Westgate going to games for years and years, now.. who knows.

I have nothing bad to say about folks who will go all out this year, I just find it hard to do that personally without some things cleared up first.
I agree. If this becomes a lame duck season then I'm done. My bitterness level would be such that the team would, in effect, be dead to me. I know that's melodramatic, but I have no interest in rooting for players and a team that won't be here in a year.
And I'll have absolutely no interest in following our favorite players in another city. I like Doan and all the rest because they represent our community and hit the ice donning our livery with the Coyote crest on the sweater. I won't give a tinker's s*** about them if they end up somewhere else.
If Reinsdorf becomes the owner by 9/10, then I will renew my four-seat full season ticket package -- the package I've had since day 1 -- and renew my sponsorship agreement (provided there's a Fox deal). If, however, they depart, then I'll take every piece of Coyote memorabilia I own -- jerseys, programs, media guides, bobble heads, ticket stubs, autographed sticks and game-worn jerseys and pictures with players and staff -- and put it in a neat pile and set it a flame. I won't feel any better, but at least I won't have any painful reminders that at one time this community once had an NHL franchise but lost it.

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If, however, they depart, then I'll take every piece of Coyote memorabilia I own -- jerseys, programs, media guides, bobble heads, ticket stubs, autographed sticks and game-worn jerseys and pictures with players and staff -- and put it in a neat pile and set it a flame.
Let me know if and when you do that so I can cry. A lot.

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I just feel really negative today and yesterday.

My attitude may be different tommorow.. but i'm just getting really fed up.


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Let me know if and when you do that so I can cry. A lot.
Yeah, upon further review, maybe I should go the ebay route.

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