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08-04-2009, 05:18 PM
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Lee Stempniak

Now that Nikolai Zherdev is a UFA, we'll get tons of speculation that Burke is going to sign him. Personally, I believe that the only way he does this is if he's able to move a salary like Lee Stempniak. On the right side, the Leafs have Blake who is better and Kulemin who is younger and a better fit. Plus, the team really needs to have at least one true grinder on the right side (whether it be Orr, Mayers, or whoever).

What Stempniak brings: about 44 points at the age of 26 with a 27 goal season under his belt.

Simple question: What would your team give up for him in terms of picks/prospects? Do not bother posting if it includes salary dumps of the Leafs treating him as negative value. Also note that under this scenario the Leafs would not be looking for NHL players in return.

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08-04-2009, 05:25 PM
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I'd be suprised if he could be moved without taking at least some salary back. His value isn't great right now he has 13 and 14 goals in his two most recent season.

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From a Toronto standpoint I would be looking for a low-tier prospect and a mid-level pick (4th-5th round); I would even assume that teams would think that is an overpayment. . But it's hard to imagine a team taking on that much salary back for a player that only has one good season under his belt without sending some salary back our way. Although, I wouldn't be suprised to see another GM overpay (like we did) due to his sheer upside as a goal scorer.

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I'd send something along the lines of Dupuis+4rd+Sneep for Stempniak


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08-04-2009, 05:43 PM
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Stemps value is a low, so why not hold on to him and see if a full year here pays dividends. If it does he will be great trade bait by end of February. If not, let him walk. No lose situation, no rush to ship him out, juss hope he finds magic and returns to form.

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I'd send something along the lines of Dupuis+4rd+Sneep for Stempniak
That would be a reasonable proposal but I would think that Brian Burke is going to hang on to him for a little while longer to see if he comes back to his true form. However, if there is no improvement come the trade deadline I would think he would consider that offer. Stempniak would look great on the wing of either 87 or 71.

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Stemps value is a low, so why not hold on to him and see if a full year here pays dividends. If it does he will be great trade bait by end of February. If not, let him walk. No lose situation, no rush to ship him out, juss hope he finds magic and returns to form.
Being a healthy scratch on most nights won't help raise his trade value. He's an impending UFA so there's no point in doing that.

As for the Dupuis trade, Pittsburgh doesn't have that kind of money.

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Being a healthy scratch on most nights won't help raise his trade value. He's an impending UFA so there's no point in doing that.

As for the Dupuis trade, Pittsburgh doesn't have that kind of money.
Very true, he would have to go to a team with more cap space than Pittsburgh.

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Being a healthy scratch on most nights won't help raise his trade value. He's an impending UFA so there's no point in doing that.

As for the Dupuis trade, Pittsburgh doesn't have that kind of money.
they do have enough space, it would just be very tight.

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they do have enough space, it would just be very tight.
It would restrain Shero from making a move for a more valuable winger that can contribute more than Stempniak. If I were Shero, I would only consider Stempniak as a last resort if I can't acquire a more valuable winger on a lower cap-hit.

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It would restrain Shero from making a move for a more valuable winger that can contribute more than Stempniak. If I were Shero, I would only consider Stempniak as a last resort if I can't acquire a more valuable winger on a lower cap-hit.
very true, I think Shero will make a move for a winger again at the deadline similar to the Bill Guerin move, and Burke will hold on to Stempniak hoping he puts it together so they can move him at the deadline or cut him lose as UFA.

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08-04-2009, 06:17 PM
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There is no reason to trade Stempniak. The Leafs bought high when he was on fire, why the heck trade him when his value is so low. Besides, Zherdev is being a little overrated here. He's a second line forward.

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08-04-2009, 07:01 PM
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There is no reason to trade Stempniak. The Leafs bought high when he was on fire, why the heck trade him when his value is so low. Besides, Zherdev is being a little overrated here. He's a second line forward.
Since when is 68th (56th last year) in scoring amongst forwards a second liner? There were only 11 teams last season who had 3 or more forwards who scored more than Zherdev.

He'd be the third highest scoring forward on 10 teams.
He'd be the second highest scoring forward on 8 teams.

Sorry, Zherdev is not so one-dimensional that you can bump him from the first line on the majority of teams in the NHL. He was 60th and 37th in consecutive years in even strength points amongst forwards on different teams. Dude is good. You may think his effort is lacking or that he has too much untapped potential or whatever, but the plain fact is that his production and play makes him a first liner on most teams.

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2 2nds. Burke loves his 2nd round picks.

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Since when is 68th (56th last year) in scoring amongst forwards a second liner? There were only 11 teams last season who had 3 or more forwards who scored more than Zherdev.

He'd be the third highest scoring forward on 10 teams.
He'd be the second highest scoring forward on 8 teams.

Sorry, Zherdev is not so one-dimensional that you can bump him from the first line on the majority of teams in the NHL. He was 60th and 37th in consecutive years in even strength points amongst forwards on different teams. Dude is good. You may think his effort is lacking or that he has too much untapped potential or whatever, but the plain fact is that his production and play makes him a first liner on most teams.

Would you call Alexei Ponikarovsky a first liner?

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Would you call Alexei Ponikarovsky a first liner?
Last season he produced as a first liner, definitely. But it's a little late in his career for such a breakout. Chances are good it was a career year and he'll dip down to 50 points or below, which makes him a good second liner instead of a first liner. If he produces at the same pace again next year, then sure, I'd call him a first liner. Especially if he starts eating up more minutes.

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no point in trading him when you won't get much value back now. It's UFA season for him so I expect he'll put up the points.

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No.

I would not trade Stempniak to pay more for Zherdev. I'd rather Stempniak become comfortable in Toronto like he was in St Louis then see what he can do. He seemed very uncomfortable in Toronto, and in heaven while on the Blues. It may not happen, but it seems like a more loyal, and rewarding option.

I don't like Zherdev much either.

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I doubt he is moved untill around the deadline and that's only if he isnt extended (which I think he will be). The LEafs wanted him badly.

As for if he was traded . . . where? I could see the Blues trading for him.

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Honestly I would probably not mind whatever we got. Even a 7th rounder would suffice.

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I could see the Blues trading for him.
Why? They knowingly got off that bus. Plus, there is no room for him in their lineup. If they're adding a piece at the deadline, I don't know why it would be Stempniak, unless they have injuries and are just scrounging for whatever is available.

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He will not get much now. I just hope the leafs hold on to him. I feel that he will produce next season.

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Probably a 3rd or 4th rounder.

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