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Vaananen vs Tollefsen

View Poll Results: Vaananen vs Tollefsen
Tollefsen. 28 41.18%
Vaananen. 32 47.06%
Both have the same skill. 8 11.76%
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08-02-2009, 10:32 PM
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Didn't tollefsen get an offer from Pittsburgh but turned it down to play in Philly because Holmgren gave him the impression that the Flyers were interested in having him around beyond his current contract?

I love this signing - he's young enough to improve positionally and not run around trying to kill people all the time.

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08-04-2009, 07:55 PM
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Do people really still think Ossi is good? Is this not the same guy that couldnt get 1 team out of the 30 in the NHL to give him even a shot at a #6 for 2 of the last 3 seasons?

The Flyers were 6-2 when Ossi played under 16 minutes last season and 18-18 when he played more than 16 minutes, yet people question why he couldnt and still cannot stay on the ice in the NHL.

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08-04-2009, 10:59 PM
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Do people really still think Ossi is good? Is this not the same guy that couldnt get 1 team out of the 30 in the NHL to give him even a shot at a #6 for 2 of the last 3 seasons?

The Flyers were 6-2 when Ossi played under 16 minutes last season and 18-18 when he played more than 16 minutes, yet people question why he couldnt and still cannot stay on the ice in the NHL.
Are these total minutes or even strength minutes?? How many goals were scored in those games? Who did we play? What dmen got the mintues in his place? What parts of the season were these games?

No, I dont expect you to answer all those...but this is a very broad assumption that the record had anything at all to do with Ossi.

Maybe they were 6-2 in the games he got less than 16 minutes because he wasnt out there killing 100 penalties, thus bumping up his time (assuming you are talking total minutes. Maybe we scored more goals in those 6 wins and he didnt have to shut down the opposition.

Point is, this can be argured for or against Vaananen. Simple fact that cant be denied is this: He was on the #1 pairing for basically his entire time here, with Timonen, played very steady, no spectacular, and did his job. Once Jones and Parent were back, he was benched....Jones shouldnt have even been on the ice

Vaananen is what he is, a steady stay at home dman who is probably a #4/#5 guy that can handle more minutes at times....Those guys arent signed very quickly.

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08-05-2009, 06:07 AM
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Well, now people start to vote for Tollefsen after he's signed

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Didn't tollefsen get an offer from Pittsburgh but turned it down to play in Philly because Holmgren gave him the impression that the Flyers were interested in having him around beyond his current contract?

I love this signing - he's young enough to improve positionally and not run around trying to kill people all the time.
Can you believe it? How could he turn down Pittsburgh, the Stanley Cup Champion?
Because Tolle is a Flyers fan, F... the Pens he says

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08-05-2009, 10:20 AM
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If he went to Pitt he'd have to sit through the happy horse _ _ _ _ parade of dinners and celebrations of something he wasn't a part of, nobody should have to endure that, it's gotta get really old, really fast. Besides, ya gotta think he's a better fit as a flyer.

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Do people really still think Ossi is good? Is this not the same guy that couldnt get 1 team out of the 30 in the NHL to give him even a shot at a #6 for 2 of the last 3 seasons?

The Flyers were 6-2 when Ossi played under 16 minutes last season and 18-18 when he played more than 16 minutes, yet people question why he couldnt and still cannot stay on the ice in the NHL.
Im pretty sure we have a better record without Briere than with him, doesnt mean he makes our team worse.

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08-05-2009, 10:36 AM
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Do people really still think Ossi is good? Is this not the same guy that couldnt get 1 team out of the 30 in the NHL to give him even a shot at a #6 for 2 of the last 3 seasons?

The Flyers were 6-2 when Ossi played under 16 minutes last season and 18-18 when he played more than 16 minutes, yet people question why he couldnt and still cannot stay on the ice in the NHL.
Vaananen who is solid #5 or #6 d-men can play top 4 role. Ossi looked very good with Timonen for a few games. Tollefsen is #7 d-men.

Instead of Jones and his 2.75M a year I woul dnot mind having Vaananen and Alberts and about 400K cap space.

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Do people really still think Ossi is good? Is this not the same guy that couldnt get 1 team out of the 30 in the NHL to give him even a shot at a #6 for 2 of the last 3 seasons?

The Flyers were 6-2 when Ossi played under 16 minutes last season and 18-18 when he played more than 16 minutes, yet people question why he couldnt and still cannot stay on the ice in the NHL.
Actually up until January 31st Ossi was regularly playing between 16-20 minutes a night and then after that minutes quickly tailored off.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...eason=20082009

edit: he only played under 16 minutes 4 times during that period however I'm not sure he played in all of the games between that time it looks like he missed some games in Nov. and maybe elsewhere


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Vaananen who is solid #5 or #6 d-men can play top 4 role. Ossi looked very good with Timonen for a few games. Tollefsen is #7 d-men.

Instead of Jones and his 2.75M a year I woul dnot mind having Vaananen and Alberts and about 400K cap space.
If Ossi is so good and a #5 with top 4 ability and OKT is a #7 which is not good enough to get on the ice most nights then why has ossi been unable to find a job in the NHL 2 of the last 3 season while OKT hasnt had any problem?

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If Ossi is so good and a #5 with top 4 ability and OKT is a #7 which is not good enough to get on the ice most nights then why has ossi been unable to find a job in the NHL 2 of the last 3 season while OKT hasnt had any problem?

Not only that but the Stanly Cup champs wanted to sign Tollefsen and not Ossie too.

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If Ossi is so good and a #5 with top 4 ability and OKT is a #7 which is not good enough to get on the ice most nights then why has ossi been unable to find a job in the NHL 2 of the last 3 season while OKT hasnt had any problem?
Year 1, because of impatience...as our own GM wanted to sign him.

Year 2, he signed with our team.

Year 3, who knows, but he's probably making more cash playing over there than he could get playing in the NHL (just as is the case for a lot of those guys at that level).

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If Ossi is so good and a #5 with top 4 ability and OKT is a #7 which is not good enough to get on the ice most nights then why has ossi been unable to find a job in the NHL 2 of the last 3 season while OKT hasnt had any problem?
What do you mean Ossi is so good? He is ok #5 or #6. He was waived because our GM ****ed up.

OKT hasn't had problems? He was RFA. He is 7th d-men on our team as of now. He is 25-26 years old and he is basically a goon. He has very limited skill. Poor Gauthier type of player.

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Flyers plan is to put Tollefsen in as 6th, depends on camp results. If they're pleased with his performance they'll make a move. Holmgren signed him because he wants his gritty style of play on the blueline, he can't make use of that if he puts him on the bench..

But they also got long term plans for him, part of the reason why OKT signed with the Flyers. He may be 7th this year and rotate with the other two, no need to rush things. But he will get lots of play if he delivers the goods, thats for sure.

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Year 1, because of impatience...as our own GM wanted to sign him.
Impatience? 30 teams could have signed him and they didnt. Just because out GM was interested doesnt mean anything, even aside from him 19 other teams passed.

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Yes and then he was waived and picked up just to ride the pine, actually he didnt even ride the pine, you gotta dress for that.

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Year 3, who knows, but he's probably making more cash playing over there than he could get playing in the NHL (just as is the case for a lot of those guys at that level).
Nobody wanted him, he waited a month and clearly didnt get any bites. Lets not use the "he can make more money overseas" thing. If thats what it was about, he would have never come back to the NHL this year. He started his career by coming to the NHL the nobody wanted him so he went home, a year later he took another shot in come back and then after being waived and having nobody sign him in the offseason he went back home. Clearly he WANTS to be in the NHL, its jsut that nobody WANTS him on their team.



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What do you mean Ossi is so good? He is ok #5 or #6. He was waived because our GM ****ed up.

OKT hasn't had problems? He was RFA. He is 7th d-men on our team as of now. He is 25-26 years old and he is basically a goon. He has very limited skill. Poor Gauthier type of player.
You said he is capable of being a top 4 dman. If thats the case why did NOBODY in the NHL pick him up? He was available for the taking at a very cheap price of the of the last 3 years. If Homer messed up so bad in dropping him then why is it that when edmonton picked him up he watched the games from the the stands? OKT hasnt been waived and although this is his first year as a FA, he at least found a job, Ossi did not.

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You said he is capable of being a top 4 dman. If thats the case why did NOBODY in the NHL pick him up? He was available for the taking at a very cheap price of the of the last 3 years. If Homer messed up so bad in dropping him then why is it that when edmonton picked him up he watched the games from the the stands? OKT hasnt been waived and although this is his first year as a FA, he at least found a job, Ossi did not.
Ossi showed me that he can play top 4 minutes. He could step up when needed.

Edmonton did not pick him up. Van did as insurance. Van were set on D.


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Ossi showed me that he can play top 4 minutes. He could step up when needed.

Edmonton did not pick him up. Van did as insurance. Van were set on D.
My mistake on the Vancouver thing. And yes Vancouver was pretty deep on D and that factored in on Ossi not playing. But still if hes capable of playing top 4 they would have fit him in somewhere and even if they couldnt one of the other 29 teams in the league would have this offseason.

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My mistake on the Vancouver thing. And yes Vancouver was pretty deep on D and that factored in on Ossi not playing. But still if hes capable of playing top 4 they would have fit him in somewhere and even if they couldnt one of the other 29 teams in the league would have this offseason.
Or maybe he was just holding out for more than teams wanted to give him...

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Or maybe he was just holding out for more than teams wanted to give him...
Everyone's making excuses for the guy using money. He couldnt find a team 2 years back and I hear he was waiting for more money. He didnt get it and went home to play. he came back this year for a 1 year 1 million dollar contract and was a healthy scratch for half the season.
1. does he really think after being a healthy scratch for half the season making 1 million he would sign for the same or more than that? No.
2. Shouldnt he have learned his lesson for trying to hold out for more money when he apparently tried that before and failed? Yes.
3. He clearly isnt all about the money or he wouldnt have tried to come back to the NHL this past year.

Everyone is making excuses saying he is so solid but someone please tell me why if he is so damn solid why he could not find 1 of the 30 NHL teams to pay him 2 of the last 3 seasons?

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Everyone's making excuses for the guy using money. He couldnt find a team 2 years back and I hear he was waiting for more money. He didnt get it and went home to play. he came back this year for a 1 year 1 million dollar contract and was a healthy scratch for half the season.
1. does he really think after being a healthy scratch for half the season making 1 million he would sign for the same or more than that? No.
2. Shouldnt he have learned his lesson for trying to hold out for more money when he apparently tried that before and failed? Yes.
3. He clearly isnt all about the money or he wouldnt have tried to come back to the NHL this past year.

Everyone is making excuses saying he is so solid but someone please tell me why if he is so damn solid why he could not find 1 of the 30 NHL teams to pay him 2 of the last 3 seasons?
His first time around he went back home to work on his skating before giving it another go in the NHL. I've never heard it had anything to do with money. Regardless, I don't know why he isn't in the NHL this year since I'm not privy to those negotiations. What I do know is what I see, and what I saw was a serviceable defenseman until he started getting yanked out of the lineup.

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Impatience? 30 teams could have signed him and they didnt. Just because out GM was interested doesnt mean anything, even aside from him 19 other teams passed.
Do you realize how illogical this statement is...the Flyers wanted to sign him, and then they did the following year.

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Yes and then he was waived and picked up just to ride the pine, actually he didnt even ride the pine, you gotta dress for that.
He was grabbed by a playoff team to be a depth defenseman...and, ya know what? He played in the playoffs for them. If he hadn't been picked up, he would have played in every game for us (or at least should have) because Randy Jones was out there without the ability to turn his ass around.

The exact reason people were so pissed to see him go.

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Nobody wanted him, he waited a month and clearly didnt get any bites. Lets not use the "he can make more money overseas" thing. If thats what it was about, he would have never come back to the NHL this year. He started his career by coming to the NHL the nobody wanted him so he went home, a year later he took another shot in come back and then after being waived and having nobody sign him in the offseason he went back home. Clearly he WANTS to be in the NHL, its jsut that nobody WANTS him on their team.
So, you have his agents phones tapped? You know for a fact no one made an offer or talked to him? You know for a fact he didn't have a good idea what his market value would be here, and decided to take Russian oil money instead?

Who knows.

By the way, he's not Russian, so he didn't go "home." Europe is a big place, ya know.

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Time to close this irrelevant thread about an NHL player and a former one about which too many e-tears have already been shed completely in vain?

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