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08-04-2009, 10:05 PM
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Bryan Little and his 50 points eat Zherdev for Breakfast? I think it's obvious you're a waste of time. Enjoy the basement...again.
Yep, 31 goals pretty much beats Zherdev's career high 27.

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08-04-2009, 10:09 PM
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Yep, 31 goals pretty much beats Zherdev's career high 27.
Yep,Zherdev's career high 61 points sure does beat Little's career high 50.

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08-04-2009, 10:10 PM
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Little edges Zherdev on the defense/intangibles as well

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08-04-2009, 10:20 PM
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Yep,Zherdev's career high 61 points sure does beat Little's career high 50.
Little is 2 years into his career. Let's chill here.

Zherdev has stagnated/marginaly progressed ever since his rookie year.

I'd give a huge edge to Little, because he's already more than a solid point getter/goal scorer, he's a solid hockey player. He isn't all tools, no toolbox.

I'd take Little now and for the future any day of the week before Zherdev.

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08-04-2009, 10:35 PM
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Yep,Zherdev's career high 61 points sure does beat Little's career high 50.
notice how no one agrees with you

little has been in the league for a year and a half. zherdev has been in the league for roughly 3(this is going by games played)

little is 21. zherdev is 24

it's amazing that a more experienced player could have more assists

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08-04-2009, 10:50 PM
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One of the last guys in the NHL that I'd want in Toronto, I'm a bit worried to be honest. Lets hope he packs up his toys and goes home or atleast the heck away from Toronto.

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08-04-2009, 10:51 PM
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Dubinsky is more than capable. It was just a year ago most of HF even most Devils fans thought Dubinsky > Zajac. And Gaborik when healthy is a gamebreaker. Is Gomez a gamebreaking center? I love how flip-flop Devil fans are. 1st Gomez is overrated 2nd liner now he's a legit #1. Do you know where the Rangers powerplay was? Neither did they. Kotalik wouldve had the most PP points on the Rangers with 21 points on PP. And yes I believe a 30 year old Kotalik > 36 year old Naslund.
HF or Ranger fans. Try not to get the two mixed up.

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08-04-2009, 10:52 PM
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One of the last guys in the NHL that I'd want in Toronto, I'm a bit worried to be honest. Lets hope he packs up his toys and goes home or atleast the heck away from Toronto.
I hope he picks some of his fans from the Leaf board a ride.

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notice how no one agrees with you

little has been in the league for a year and a half. zherdev has been in the league for roughly 3(this is going by games played)

little is 21. zherdev is 24

it's amazing that a more experienced player could have more assists
That doesn't change the fact that Zherdev fits into you're top6 [You're original argument]

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Right...having one of the best defensive pipelines in the game, a top goalie, good forward prospects, and one of the best players in the league really means we are going no where.

Oh you mean we didn't tank and get 2 superstars??? Right, sorry.
Hmmmm... what?

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08-04-2009, 10:56 PM
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And people may say "asset mismanagement," but Cap space is a huge asset. Rangers could potentially be a big player in the trade deadline with extra cap space + plethora of highly toured defensive prospects.
I agree that cap space is a huge asset, but I'm trying to understand how it's something that the Rangers have as:

1. they currently have 7M in cap space
2. they've yet to sign Brandon Dubinsky (2M)
3. they've yet to solidify their #5 and #6 Dmen (Gilroy 2M + 1M for #6Dman)
4. the current cap doesn't account for their 4th line center (1M)

Doing the math, that leaves approximately 1M of cap space if they so only go w/20 players at the NHL level. The second an injury occurs, they'll need to execute on that additional cap space.

Unless I'm missing something, cap space is something the Rangers certainly do NOT have at present.

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08-04-2009, 10:59 PM
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Very skilled player with no heart or grit. Wore is welcome out in NY very very fast.

Would think his best fit would be on a line next to Malkin or A.O

He needs to grow up the same way Kovalev did when he left NYR.

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08-04-2009, 11:02 PM
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lets look at it. Ended yr with

Naslund, Gomez, Zherdev
Antropov, Dubinsky, Callahan
Avery, Drury, Korpikoski
Sjostrom, Betts, Orr

Now have

Higgins, Dubinsky, Gaborik
Kotalik, Drury, Callahan
Avery, Anisimov, Lisin
Byers, Boyle, Brashear

what's better in peoples eyes?
Both teams are equal in my eyes. It will be the same **** again this season, a struggle to make the playoffs and a 2nd or 1st round exit.

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08-04-2009, 11:03 PM
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One of the last guys in the NHL that I'd want in Toronto, I'm a bit worried to be honest. Lets hope he packs up his toys and goes home or atleast the heck away from Toronto.
yeah it'd be a shame if he signed in Toronto & ruined the winning tradition they have going there

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08-04-2009, 11:05 PM
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As opposed to top 20 defensive prospect for 5 years of overpaid Gomez?
Top 20 defensive prospect? If you're referring to Ryan M. then you might be disapointed.

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I agree that cap space is a huge asset, but I'm trying to understand how it's something that the Rangers have as:

1. they currently have 7M in cap space
2. they've yet to sign Brandon Dubinsky (2M)
3. they've yet to solidify their #5 and #6 Dmen (Gilroy 2M + 1M for #6Dman)
4. the current cap doesn't account for their 4th line center (1M)

Doing the math, that leaves approximately 1M of cap space if they so only go w/20 players at the NHL level. The second an injury occurs, they'll need to execute on that additional cap space.

Unless I'm missing something, cap space is something the Rangers certainly do NOT have at present.
Once Gaborik is on the IR, they should have more than enough.

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08-04-2009, 11:26 PM
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I agree that cap space is a huge asset, but I'm trying to understand how it's something that the Rangers have as:

1. they currently have 7M in cap space
2. they've yet to sign Brandon Dubinsky (2M)
3. they've yet to solidify their #5 and #6 Dmen (Gilroy 2M + 1M for #6Dman)
4. the current cap doesn't account for their 4th line center (1M)

Doing the math, that leaves approximately 1M of cap space if they so only go w/20 players at the NHL level. The second an injury occurs, they'll need to execute on that additional cap space.

Unless I'm missing something, cap space is something the Rangers certainly do NOT have at present.
OK You are missing quite a lot.


Marian Gaborik $7,500,000
Chris Drury $7,050,000
Ales Kotalik $3,000,000
Ryan Callahan $2,300,000
Chris Higgins $2,250,000
Sean Avery $1,937,500
Donald Brashear $1,400,000
Artem Anisimov $821,666
Enver Lisin $790,000
Brian Boyle $525,000
Dane Byers $500,000

DEFENSEMEN
Wade Redden $6,500,000
Michal Rozsival $5,000,000
Daniel Girardi $1,550,000
Marc Staal $826,666

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist $6,875,000
Steve Valiquette $725,000

ROSTER SIZE 17

PAYROLL $49,550,832

CAP SPACE $7,249,168
Brandon Dubinsky 1.7-1.9 (hes not getting 2 mil)
CAP SPACE NOW $5.6-5.3
Matt Gilroy 1.7
CAP SPACE NOW 3.9-3.6
6th Dman either sauer (.5 mil) or potter/ Sanguinetti (.8mil) or Micheal Del Zotto or a FA maybe schneider (1 mil)
Cap space now 3.4-2.6

so worst case their 20 man roster leaves them with 2.6 in cap space (this is barring any trades additions (except the #6 defenseman i mention above)) this leaves plenty of room for movement at the deadline and to expand the roster to 21-22 with 1 or 2 players who fall between .5 and 1 mil each.

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08-04-2009, 11:30 PM
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ha, you're right, my mistake. Still, bad stuff.

hototogisu. He's 29 now? Almost 30.......that's why Gainey took a chance. The Habs will try two seasons of it, at which point he'll be close to 33, no one wants to get stuck with an older player who's underperforming at a terrible deal.
His deal ends at what? 34 years old? He also missed very few games in his career. That is a good bet to say that Gomez is probably gonna have a long career. I bet you that at 34 years old he will do at least as much points than he has done last year (That ain't too hard to beat).

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08-05-2009, 05:09 AM
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Contrary to many others here, it appears, I think Zherdev will be well worth the 3.9 million a year, provided he is in a team that fits him. Ie. one that plays attacking hockey and where he does not have to create all the offense himself, but rather supplement it. Put him next to a strong center who can score and you have yourself something really interesting.

The problem is that this happens so late in the game that it is hard to identify teams that both match that criterion, and also have cap-space (either self-imposed or top-level) to take him on.

For that reason I think Zherdev will either have to sign for less/much less than what he wants for one year with a team that gives him that situation where he can subsequently turn in a bumper year that earns him a big contract - or he can take the money in the KHL and wait for better financial days in the States for a couple of years, after which he can always go back as an UFA. Not a bad situation to be in for him regardless.

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08-05-2009, 06:17 AM
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Zherdev could crack 70 points playing with Kovalchuk,pretty easily.
Yeah, because so far he has only played with chumps like Nash, Fedorov, Vyborny, Gomez....

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I Still think Zherdev can be a star in this league.
Sure he could if he cared, but he doesn't. He puts up as many points as he deems reasonable and then coasts. Two years in a row he has done the same thing. When the games get tougher, he disappears.

He is perfect for the KHL. Games are easier and the money is the same.

I love this whole: he needs to find a team that fits him argument...

Umm, well you mean a team that doesn't give a crap if he puts it on the line for the team? Or, a team that is going nowhere? Or a team that places no value on doing the little things for the good of the team? Or a team that will accept the fact that each and every shift you don't know what you are going to get from him? How many teams are there like that left? Maclean is no longer a GM in this league.

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08-05-2009, 06:41 AM
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He's much more talented than Kozlov,and he's also better than Antropov imo. He could fit on you're first or second line with ease.
Nope.

While I would love to sign Zherdev we do have a legit top 6

Kovy (91 pts.) - Peverley (35 pts. in 39 games) - Antropov (Kovy wants him on his line)
Kozlov (76 pts.) - White (73 pts. ) - Little (51 pts.)

If we did sign him, Peverley would probably be the odd man out. Kozlov is getting old, but he's a legit 2nd liner. I wouldn't break that line either.

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08-05-2009, 07:31 AM
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What people also seem to be forgetting is that the majority of their teams have 50 players under contract. There is only a handful who don't and would be able to add a FA without moving someone.

The question is:

1. who are those teams
2. of those teams do they have cap space/money?
3. are they idiotic enough to sign a guy for that money knowing full well he will be gone in a year?
4. are they dumb enough to invite a problem child onto their team?

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08-05-2009, 07:35 AM
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Damn, they let their top point getter go.
Big deal.

I don't want that lazy, heartless and greedy ******* on my team, and why would Sather? He took a chance to try and correct his past habits and behaviour, but it obciously hasn't worked. He can score points, but is useless for anything else.

So, bye bye Zherdev! Honestly, I don't see the big fuss in letting this moron walk. If all he wants is money, go back home to the KHL and let a truly deserving player shine on the Rangers!

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