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08-04-2009, 07:47 PM
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I wouldn't pay Zherdev more than $3M a season, and I still don't want him.

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Also, I can't see anyway to justify his demand for 4.5. How the hell did he earn that?

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08-04-2009, 08:07 PM
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Frolov + Zherdev = YES

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08-04-2009, 08:33 PM
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I've been saying this all along..

Frolov - Kopitar - Zherdev

imagine how dirty that line would be, wow.

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08-04-2009, 08:55 PM
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Also, I can't see anyway to justify his demand for 4.5. How the hell did he earn that?
That's just another goofy arbitration number. I wouldn't interpret that as a demand as much as setting a ceiling for the arbitrator to work with. As was noted, in 2006 Dumont submitted a number over 3 million but ended up signing in Nashville for 2.25 mil. It's all part the business, I mean when an average Joe negotiates his salary, he's going to "demand" a higher number but would settle for less.

Albeit a comparable player (in terms of stats, which seems to be a heavy factor in arbitration) is Milan Michalek who is making 4.333 mil this year. Same draft year, similar offensive production.

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08-04-2009, 09:13 PM
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I've been saying this all along..

Frolov - Kopitar - Zherdev

imagine how dirty that line would be, wow.
They'd all want to have the puck on their stick, which can be problematic. This is why you rarely saw Frolov with Kopitar. Frolov likes to control the puck down low. Kopitar likes to have the puck on his stick to setup plays. Zherdev also likes to carry the puck, a lot.

If they bring in a talent like Zherdev, he needs to play with a Smyth, Williams or Brown on the opposite wing and Stoll or Handzus at center.

Vancouver had this problem with Bure and Mogilny when they put them together, so naturally, they split them up. This is also why Washington doesn't play Ovechkin with Semin (except on the PP).

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08-04-2009, 09:20 PM
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I am all in on Zherdev. Frolov would be a great mentor to him and I think he'd light it up in LA.
the Kings question Frolov's consistency and work ethic all offseason, but you think he'd be a great mentor for another guy with a ton of talent that doesn't show up every night? Zherdev doesn't need a mentor for that... He's already got that down.

Zherdev is not the kinda risk this team needs to take right now. Especially not for the money an arbitrator thinks he's worth. Hell Zherdev will go to one of the cap room teams, he might not even leave New York.

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08-04-2009, 09:22 PM
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Do we really need to take that gamble? Depth is great but so is chemistry.

Do we know whether or not this team will have the right chemistry next year? No. But knowing what I know about the players, I bet on yes. Lombardi finally made good on bringing in character guys.

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08-04-2009, 09:29 PM
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Do we really need to take that gamble? Depth is great but so is chemistry.

Do we know whether or not this team will have the right chemistry next year? No. But knowing what I know about the players, I bet on yes. Lombardi finally made good on bringing in character guys.
To Lege's point, Zherdev is the kind of guy DETROIT can take a chance on because they've got the "infrastructure" and character guys to make it work for them and my guess is if they had more cap space, they'd go after him. the Wings love them some skill and skating... The Kings aren't at that point yet. Some day though...

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Do we really need to take that gamble? Depth is great but so is chemistry.

Do we know whether or not this team will have the right chemistry next year? No. But knowing what I know about the players, I bet on yes. Lombardi finally made good on bringing in character guys.
Aren't you in favor in bringing in Carcillo??? Not that I disagree with you on Z, he isn't a Dean player and he is gonna want to much money, so pass imo.

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Aren't you in favor in bringing in Carcillo??? Not that I disagree with you on Z, he isn't a Dean player and he is gonna want to much money, so pass imo.

Yeah. That's a different case. You'll never find Carcillo dogging it on the ice though.

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08-04-2009, 10:14 PM
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To Lege's point, Zherdev is the kind of guy DETROIT can take a chance on because they've got the "infrastructure" and character guys to make it work for them and my guess is if they had more cap space, they'd go after him. the Wings love them some skill and skating... The Kings aren't at that point yet. Some day though...

Right. We're still trying to build the right atmosphere to be able to do so.

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I am all in on Zherdev. Frolov would be a great mentor to him and I think he'd light it up in LA.
This is my thoughts.

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08-04-2009, 10:38 PM
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We had this discussion during the regular season, no?

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08-04-2009, 11:27 PM
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I'd say yes to a one-year deal only. Because let's face it, when your offense was as bad as ours was last year, it's hard to not want to add a scorer (even though the Rangers struggled scoring and still didn't want him). He can play left wing, an area we're lacking in even with the Smyth trade.

We have the cap space for this year, but not in future years. If he works out, we can find a way to keep him. If not, he's gone in a year when the cap goes down.

That said I don't think Dean cares for Zherdev one bit. He's been trying to acquire character players with playoff success, which doesn't fit Zherdev at all. I believe Dean is trying to create a culture of winning right now and doesn't think Zherdev adds to that direction.

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08-04-2009, 11:34 PM
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I have a feeling most of the people who want Zherdev don't have a lot of confidence in Williams.

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08-05-2009, 12:01 AM
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As much as i dont like this i ll play when i feel like attidue hs got theres no denaying the guy is taleneted. We need goals and this guy can score 20 not motivated think what he could do motivated. Granted motivating him is going to be hard but a one year 3.5 millionish for the year may do it The move i think about puting him with kopitar and Frolov the more i like it. He could be the star or sorts here if he steped up to it plus i think he may push Kopitar as well. I think this guy is also insurance incase williams doesnt work out as well as DL hopes. ( something i think may happen) nice to have a proven back up

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08-05-2009, 01:14 AM
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They'd all want to have the puck on their stick, which can be problematic. This is why you rarely saw Frolov with Kopitar. Frolov likes to control the puck down low. Kopitar likes to have the puck on his stick to setup plays. Zherdev also likes to carry the puck, a lot.
http://www.dobberhockey.com/frozenpool_linecombo.php

The link takes you to a page that will generate a report of all the line combination involving a particular player for a specific season. Selecting Kopitar generates a massive list, but the top four in the list shows the following:

585 even strength shifts with O'Sullivan - Kopitar - Frolov
362 even strength shifts with Frolov - Kopitar - Brown
250 even strength shifts with Frolov - Kopitar - Williams
224 even strength shifts with Frolov - Kopitar - Simmonds

It appears you had a stronger case when using 2007-2008 data.

188 even strength shifts with O'Sullivan - Kopitar - Frolov
92 even strength shifts with Frolov - Kopitar - Cammalleri
26 even strength shifts with Frolov - Kopitar - Nagy

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Seems as though the primary line Frolov was used on was with Handzus and Simmonds, which makes sense. I believe the line of Frolov with Kopitar and O'Sullivan was used earlier in the season. Later on we saw Frolov regularly with Handzus and Simmonds, but towards the end of the season it was Frolov with Kopitar and Williams.

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08-05-2009, 03:08 AM
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The only reason I consider it is i'm still not sold on Purcell, and we need another winger for the top 9.

If Teddy pulls it off and shows he can stick, good on him, but if not i'd rather we pick someone up who can.

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This is Nagy II, right? If it happens...

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I have a feeling most of the people who want Zherdev don't have a lot of confidence in Williams.
Not at all...but I don't have confidence in Moller, Purcell, Lewis or Simmonds putting up 30 goals this year on our second or third line either...something that Zherdev could definatley do...

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Not at all...but I don't have confidence in Moller, Purcell, Lewis or Simmonds putting up 30 goals this year on our second or third line either...something that Zherdev could definatley do...
Why is Brown a 3rd line player now?

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DL will not sign Zherdev.

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08-05-2009, 04:15 AM
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Why is Brown a 3rd line player now?
Other than that stretch from 07-08 (including a bit of the most recent season), when has he been anything else? To me, he lost a bit of his legitimacy as a top-6'er after he dissapeared down the stretch.

Count me as someone who thinks that he will never score above 30 goals again

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