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10-31-2004, 12:49 PM
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you have no idea ... if my company hires someone better than me, its a great opportunity to
a) see the company do better .. but even more importantly ..
b) to learn from someone who knows more than I !!
You're trying to tell me that you'd embrace someone taking your job when you have a family to raise and they don't actually need the money?

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you dont dragon kick his ass, you embrace his/her presence, because
a) you are good yourself and you know that if this guy is *better* you dont want him on the other team, you want him on yours and you want to learn from him
or
b) if you are so bad that a medicore person can take your job, why should the company care if it upsets you .. dont let the door hit you on the way out.
His presense isn't there to nuture you and show you the ropes. He doesn't care about you, otherwise he wouldn't have taken your job when he has no need to do so. Why would Hirsch want to embrace someone who is only there to further their own career and hinder yours in the process?

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are you that crappy at your job that you dont think the company would value you enough to find a place for you even if they have replaced you with someone better ?
Hockey teams don't exactly have a wealth of places to easily slide you into. You're either playing, or you're S.O.L.

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stop fearing and start embracing and you will find that job security too !
Doctor Phil?

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you have no idea ... if my company hires someone better than me, its a great opportunity to
a) see the company do better .. but even more importantly ..
b) to learn from someone who knows more than I !!

you dont dragon kick his ass, you embrace his/her presence, because
a) you are good yourself and you know that if this guy is *better* you dont want him on the other team, you want him on yours and you want to learn from him
or
b) if you are so bad that a medicore person can take your job, why should the company care if it upsets you .. dont let the door hit you on the way out.
If your company replaces you with a high priced rental, why the heck would they bother keeping you around to 'learn' from him? He's a REPLACEMENT, not a co-worker.

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You're trying to tell me that you'd embrace someone taking your job when you have a family to raise and they don't actually need the money?



His presense isn't there to nuture you and show you the ropes. He doesn't care about you, otherwise he wouldn't have taken your job when he has no need to do so. Why would Hirsch want to embrace someone who is only there to further their own career and hinder yours in the process?



Hockey teams don't exactly have a wealth of places to easily slide you into. You're either playing, or you're S.O.L.



Doctor Phil?

none of my coments were in the context of a professional sports. you asked if someoen came to *my* workplace and what i said was fact.

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You'd be hard pressed to find a European fan under that impression.
I know, and that's the point. These players are only there for a short time and are not interested in anything but advancing their career and earning as much money during this lockout as possible.

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10-31-2004, 12:53 PM
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If your company replaces you with a high priced rental, why the heck would they bother keeping you around to 'learn' from him? He's a REPLACEMENT, not a co-worker.
hmmm ... maybe i dont have the right perspective... if my company let me go, there would be 10 others who know me personally and by doing business with me, lining up to hire me to replace i guess someone like you.

the problem with my perspective i guess is that in the context of this discussion, i am the Joe Thornton, not the Lonny Bohonos.

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none of my coments were in the context of a professional sports. you asked if someoen came to *my* workplace and what i said was fact.

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You can correlate characteristics between both situations.

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hmmm ... maybe i dont have the right perspective... if my company let me go, there would be 10 others who know me personally and by doing business with me, lining up to hire me to replace i guess someone like you.

the problem with my perspective i guess is that in the context of this discussion, i am the Joe Thornton, not the Lonny Bohonos.

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So you're the Joe Thornton, and I'm the Lonny Bohonos?? :lol

You presume much.



And unlike you supposedly, the NHL players don't have 10 other leagues lining up to sign them, at least at not anywhere near the salaries that they're accustomed to.

You're right, you don't have the right perspective.

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You can correlate characteristics between both situations.
fine, then dont ask a question that connects the two situations.

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So you're the Joe Thornton, and I'm the Lonny Bohonos?? :lol

You presume much.


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so then you shouldnt worry about the company hiring a high priced rental to replace you then ..

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hmmm ... maybe i dont have the right perspective... if my company let me go, there would be 10 others who know me personally and by doing business with me, lining up to hire me to replace i guess someone like you.

the problem with my perspective i guess is that in the context of this discussion, i am the Joe Thornton, not the Lonny Bohonos.

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I'm sure the closeby McDo is waiting for you with open arms.

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If you think he has no right to complain, fine....surivival of the fittest and all that. By that same token, the NHLPA is setting themselves up to look like the world's biggest hypocrites if they raise one word of complaint against replacement players that include someone like Hirsch. I mean, it's just owners getting the best players they can get to please their fanbase, right?

Even I, who is fiercely on the side of ownership and against the bloodsucking NHLPA, wouldn't go that far.

If you can't see the difference between winning a spot fair and square and scabbing, something's wrong.

Corey Hirsh is a small-time loser who seems to have a brain that matches his talent (i.e. lacking) and incorrectly labels NHLers who play in Europe scabs. They aren't.

Like everybody else, Corey Hirsh competes to get a hockey job, he bumped people when he was in the NHL and he bumped players when he went to Europe and now, he's getting bumped by someone who is better than him.

That has nothing at ALL to do with replacing players during a conflict between employers and employees. Ideologically, the difference is like night and day.

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10-31-2004, 01:18 PM
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hehe ... i was open for that ! doesnt hurt though.

look, i have no reason to brag, just using as an example to answer the posters question. a few posters at HF know me off line, so id be really making a fool of myself wouldnt I if i really was the "fry guy".

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No one ever said they went for monetary reasons. We know this isn't the case, so anyone who thinks that it is needs to compare the paychecks closely.
The person I was replying to was saying that they do not *need* to go to Europe, which isn't the case. By the way, I think that Hirsch is still being paid, he just doesn't get to suit up for the team. So, coupled with his fairly large NHL earnings, should provide for his family. He will not miss his paycheck, but he wants exactly the same thing that the NHL imports want: to stay competitive.

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I don't think anyone is really complaining about the Euros returning. I'd rather see Alfredsson go back and play home than to see Rick Nash continue his development when he decided to back the union's choices. Yeah, they were locked out but going elsewhere's instead of handling your situation at home is bullocks.
And how do you suggest they handle the situation at home? Are they supposed to sign an unfavorable CBA because the NHL rejects in Europe also need to stay in shape and do not like being beaten out of roster spots?

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As a person who has a pregnant wife and kids, I see exactly what he's talking about. Also, another reason he probably brought it up because he is more than likely speaking for others who may have it worse off than him, but is just using himself as an example. I'm assuming on this bit, but when you are trying to make a point about selfishness I tend to assume he's not just speaking about himself.
I can understand the additional pressures that he is facing. But that doesn't mean that there is somebody to blame in this situation. Everybody contributed to what happened to him: NHL owners, Euro club owners, NHL players, and himself. And for a person who is speaking for others he is talking about himself too much (I think there is a whole of one sentence mentioning others in his whole article/open letter). Out of 270+ displaced players, I am sure there are people significantly worse off than Hirsch, because the only sad part of Hirsch story is his attitude.

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These are moronic statements by Hirsch. If he didn't suck at hockey, he could be in the NHL. Just because there are better players than him he has sour grapes. That's called a free-market economy, Corey. When someone is better at your job than you, you get replaced. You don't get any special privileges because you're a freaking professional athlete. So suck it up. I'm sure he's made more than 98% of us have playing a freaking game for a living, so what is he *****ing about?

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Former Flame Colin Patterson fires back at Hirsh

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The comments by Donovan and Patterson are ridiculous and further the cause of management in this war for public opinion.

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But locked-out players, Patterson argued, need leagues where they can stay in shape because they could just as easily lose their jobs when the NHL is back in session.

"If they're not in shape, their careers could be finished," he said.
So, screw everyone else just to protect the precious million dollar babies? **** that! I hope this lockout lasts 3 years and half the teams are gone. Then guys like Colin Patterson will be out of work. I feel bad for the referees who have no control; I feel bad for the Louisville factory workers who were laid off because they weren't busy making sticks and pucks. I don't give a rat's ass if a Shean Donovan or a Colin Patterson can't keep themselves in shape without taking some other stiff's job. In fact, I look forward to a league where players of their talents find themselves permantly looking for work in Europe and only the best of the best still have NHL jobs, even if that means there are no teams in some markets that shouldn't have had teams in the first place!

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I, too, feel bad for the factory workers. I feel bad for the NHL and team employees who make 20 grand a year. Why? Because some greedy fool NHLers don't want to go from 8 to 6 mil a year. I don't feel sorry for Hirsch. He obviously feels that the millions of dollars he made playing hockey isn't enough, he deserves more.
Hey Hirsch, if you don't like it, go get a college education and see how life is in the real world. Or better yet, go work at 7-11 and see how you like that. Quit your bellyaching.

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The comments by Donovan and Patterson are ridiculous and further the cause of management in this war for public opinion.
Hey, leave Donovan out of this! He's at home with his leggy actress/model wife.



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Corey Hirsh is a small-time loser who seems to have a brain that matches his talent (i.e. lacking) and incorrectly labels NHLers who play in Europe scabs. They aren't.
Don't give him such a hard time... he was misquoted!

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hehe ... i was open for that ! doesnt hurt though.

look, i have no reason to brag, just using as an example to answer the posters question. a few posters at HF know me off line, so id be really making a fool of myself wouldnt I if i really was the "fry guy".

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I was just cracking a line up. Don't take it too seriously.

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I'm sure somebody already posted this, but I didn't feel like looking through the past 5 pages. Anyway, people do realize that Gerber is FROM Switzerland. Hirsch is from Alberta. Think about it.

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