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Rangers Prospect #18

View Poll Results: Who's the 18th most valuable Rangers prospect?
Brodie Dupont 12 17.39%
Pavel Valentenko 14 20.29%
Chad Johnson 3 4.35%
David Kveton 31 44.93%
Carl Hagelin 8 11.59%
Chris Doyle 1 1.45%
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08-06-2009, 11:44 PM
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I don't claim to have the final word on Zabo, just curious why there's so much love for someone who's not even established in the AHL. He had a decent stretch of 19 games in the AHL after he got moved, but that's nothing to write home about. Gaulton is a project, that's for sure, but I think he's more likely to succeed than Zabo. Maybe I'm wrong.

If Skokan is on par with Hagelin, why isn't anyone even suggesting that we add him to the list? He seems like a solid prospect to me.

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Gaulton is a reclamation at this point, don't you think? He's coming off an injury, and his coaches questioned his conditioning and even benched him for it. He has talent, but he has a long way to go before that talent becomes ready for professional hockey. He still has issues with positioning and decision making. Obviously he's a young defenseman and that isn't abnormal, but there are no shortage of question marks surrounding him.

David Skokan? He plays a very, very similar game to Carl Hagelin. He's defensively responsible with an offensive game that may or may not develop. He has a much bigger frame than Hagelin, but in terms of development, I'd same they're pretty even. I'd also hesitate to rank Skokan since young players who come to the States then head back to their home countries to play professionally often times don't come back.

And Max Campbell to me looks like a PP specialist in the college ranks who doesn't really do anything else. If he can take a step forward this year and round out his game a bit I'd be inclined to rank him higher.

I don't really see Zaborsky as a project. He's a finesse player for sure, and not particularly defensively responsible, but the question with him is how he'll hold up with his small frame in the North American game. So again, I don't see him as a project, more just a hit-or-miss type.

Just for the sake of argument, Leslie Treff rated Zaborsky 11th in the system. That was obviously before the draft, so you would expect Leslie to rank Zaborsky 13th or 14th if the rankings were redone today. People kill the overall HF rankings, but Leslie is extremely knowledgeable and a good judge of talent--and watches these prospects more than anyone commenting on this forum, you and I included. Leslie was the person that rated Zaba highly (seemingly out of nowehere), prior to his strong season last year. Leslie knows her stuff...

Basically what I'm saying is that you seem to value Zaborsky far less than many others. That's fine--I'm not saying that you're wrong or that you're not entitled to that opinion. Just don't be surprised that others like him.

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That was my biggest issue with him otherwise I would've had him around 8-10 mark after Kreider...
Is anyone else concerned that Kveton's numbers came from playing with two great linemates? He was the lowest scoring of the three, so I am wondering how much of it came from just being on that line. I mean, he must've deserved his first line spot and he clearly succeeded there, but I also remember Bob Maudie getting 101 points in the WHL while playing with Iginla and Dominichelli (who was then a great prospect).

He bounced around the ECHL, Internationals and Europe, and then retired at the age of 26 because he just wasn't making any money doing the hockey thing.

Kveton has a lot more talent than Maudie, but I'm hoping he's not just feeding off of his teammates. Has anyone actually seen him in the Czech league this year?

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Is anyone else concerned that Kveton's numbers came from playing with two great linemates? He was the lowest scoring of the three, so I am wondering how much of it came from just being on that line. I mean, he must've deserved his first line spot and he clearly succeeded there, but I also remember Bob Maudie getting 101 points in the WHL while playing with Iginla and Dominichelli (who was then a great prospect).

He bounced around the ECHL, Internationals and Europe, and then retired at the age of 26 because he just wasn't making any money doing the hockey thing.

Kveton has a lot more talent than Maudie, but I'm hoping he's not just feeding off of his teammates. Has anyone actually seen him in the Czech league this year?
half of kveton's points are goals (22), that's more than the other two have, so those two actually seem to get many points thanks to kveton.

at the very least he seems to be a good finisher

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I don't claim to have the final word on Zabo, just curious why there's so much love for someone who's not even established in the AHL. He had a decent stretch of 19 games in the AHL after he got moved, but that's nothing to write home about. Gaulton is a project, that's for sure, but I think he's more likely to succeed than Zabo. Maybe I'm wrong.

If Skokan is on par with Hagelin, why isn't anyone even suggesting that we add him to the list? He seems like a solid prospect to me.
I can't speak for everyone else as far as Skokan vs. Hagelin, but personally, I think Hagelin has a bit more latent offensive potential. I was more impressed by Hagelin's second season in college than any of Skokan's seasons in the Q (speaking strictly in terms of offense; I consider them relatively equal in other aspects of the game).

The other factor holding Hagelin (and Kveton) back for me is that I doubt either comes back over. If I feel like a guy has zero chance of playing in the NHL--even due to a personal decision--it's hard for me to rank them. Then again, if I see even a shred of evidence that the guy is planning on coming over, I'll boost him up quite quickly.

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