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08-07-2009, 06:46 PM
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sorry top 15 pick for Toskala and taking on a jailbird with a massive cap hit. my bad, THE DEAL IS SO MUCH BETTER NOW, ALL HAIL OUR BIRDMAN OVERLORD.
You were essentially right SSJ in the first place, only some people need to have it posted in full detail, even though you were only trying to provide a little humour...

JFJ traded a 1st and 2nd round picks in 2007 and 4th in 2009 for Toskala and Bell.
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To Toronto Maple Leafs: Vesa Toskala and Mark Bell

To San Jose Sharks : 13th overall pick in 2007 (traded to St. Louis for 1st round pick in 2007, Logan Couture) the 44th overall pick in 2007 (traded to St. Louis) and the 4th round pick in 2009

http://nhltradeshistory.blogspot.com...s-of-2007.html
Then San Jose immediately turned around and traded our former picks 1st (#13) and 2nd (#44) rounders to STL for the #9 overall, so they could draft Logan Couture.

So your humourous post mocking JFJ, was factually correct in that SJ got a top 10 pick from Leafs as a result of the Toskala trade. Only difference is it took another step to combine our two picks for that TOP 10..Still came at our expense no matter how you slice it. Leafs could just as easily have traded our 1st and 2nd round picks first to STL for a Top 10 pick and then traded that pick to San Jose for Toskala and it would have had the same net end effect.

Maybe toss a line into your original post where Doug Wilson puts JFJ on hold, while he confirms with St Louis that they will take Leafs two top picks for their 1st rounder at #9 before making the deal. That should get the heat off your tail..


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08-07-2009, 08:39 PM
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Queue up the rationalization. Bad draft? Two years after the draft and already 4 players taken after that 1st round pick have played significant NHL time. How bad can the draft be? A 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick AND a salary dump for a middling NHL starter was a massive overpayment. I think the 1st rounder would have been pushing the limit for the price for a goalie like Toskala. Ferguson got seriously hosed in that deal.
Forget weak draft even, and lets not forget this Toskala trade could have turned out much much worse than it did even, thanks to JFJ desperation to save his own job..

The actual trade was our 1st round pick in 2007 (at SJ option) or 2008 (with top 10 protected though), or it falls to 1st in 2009..

So we were so fortunate that Doug Wilson chose the weaker draft of 2007 to exercise the pick.. Likely because he already had a second deal in place with St. Louis that would send our 1st and 2nd to Blues for the #9 overall as Wilson wanted Logan Couture.

Had Wilson not taken the 1st in 2007, it would have fallen to 2008, but since that was top 10 protected (we finished with #7), it would have fallen then to 2009 draft pick last season. Just think if we had not won game #82 we would have then given up a lottery pick #5 overall which would have been even worse then #7 to get Toskala and Bell.

If that would have happened then Leafs would not have Nazem Kadri today and would not have had a 1st rounder in this last draft.. Lets all digest that for a moment !!!

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08-07-2009, 10:15 PM
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Because I said it was a good deal? Looks like you're a little pissy. Upset you weren't even able to remember the deal correctly? Like I said earlier, I didn't claim it was a good deal, I said get your facts straight. It was a bad trade, no need to lie about it. At least know what you are talking about if you are going to complain.
I never said you thought it was a good deal. Calm down bro, it's TEXT ON THE INTERNET. Don't get mad.

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08-07-2009, 10:21 PM
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Forget weak draft even, and lets not forget this Toskala trade could have turned out much much worse than it did even, thanks to JFJ desperation to save his own job..

The actual trade was our 1st round pick in 2007 (at SJ option) or 2008 (with top 10 protected though), or it falls to 1st in 2009..

So we were so fortunate that Doug Wilson chose the weaker draft of 2007 to exercise the pick.. Likely because he already had a second deal in place with St. Louis that would send our 1st and 2nd to Blues for the #9 overall as Wilson wanted Logan Couture.

Had Wilson not taken the 1st in 2007, it would have fallen to 2008, but since that was top 10 protected (we finished with #7), it would have fallen then to 2009 draft pick last season. Just think if we had not won game #82 we would have then given up a lottery pick #5 overall which would have been even worse then #7 to get Toskala and Bell.

If that would have happened then Leafs would not have Nazem Kadri today and would not have had a 1st rounder in this last draft.. Lets all digest that for a moment !!!
Thats a whole lot of ifs. Toskala could have also backstopped us to the cup if the team played better. Maybe we should digest that for a moment too?

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08-07-2009, 10:52 PM
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Thats a whole lot of ifs. Toskala could have also backstopped us to the cup if the team played better. Maybe we should digest that for a moment too?
Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda. Didn't.

Toskala was a good addidtion but not for a 1st and 2nd, and especially not when we were taking an albatross contract off San Jose's hands for them. It's silly that JFJ got hosed on trade after trade, and the one big trade he could have hosed another team on he passed because Steen was too important to trade.

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08-07-2009, 11:11 PM
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Who did more damage to the Leafs, John Ferguson Sr. or John Ferguson Jr?

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08-07-2009, 11:28 PM
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JFJ gave up an early 2nd round pick in the 2008 draft (along with Brendan Bell) for Yanic Perreault(!) and a 5th rounder.

Perreault played 17 games for us, getting 2 goals and 5 points before signing with the Hawks as a free agent.

Yeah, that trade was a real beauty. That's how you build a winner.

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08-07-2009, 11:30 PM
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Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda. Didn't.
*Woosh*

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08-08-2009, 10:44 AM
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JFJ gave up an early 2nd round pick in the 2008 draft (along with Brendan Bell) for Yanic Perreault(!) and a 5th rounder.

Perreault played 17 games for us, getting 2 goals and 5 points before signing with the Hawks as a free agent.

Yeah, that trade was a real beauty. That's how you build a winner.
If Joel Champagne becomes a good prospect then can we all stop crying about ths trade?

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08-08-2009, 10:50 AM
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If Joel Champagne becomes a good prospect then can we all stop crying about ths trade?
No. Especially since 20 goals and 28 assists wasn't enough to stop the whining about another 2nd round pick.

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08-08-2009, 11:40 AM
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No. Especially since 20 goals and 28 assists wasn't enough to stop the whining about another 2nd round pick.
Whatever that is supposed to mean.

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08-08-2009, 12:15 PM
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Why are we letting the ghost of JFJ management past cause this riff between us all?

Let's just agree on one thing, we're better off now that he's gone. Now be happy!@!!

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08-08-2009, 12:34 PM
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Whatever that is supposed to mean.
Grabovski

He was acquired for 2nd rounder and some Leaf fans complain about him and some others about the 2nd round pick used to acquire him.

Do we know anyone who might fit that situation?

Joel Champagne is going to have to become quite a prospect with that 5th rounder to help offset that JFJ trade because 48 point rookie season Grabovski the value of 2nd rounder in trade is seen as having little impact by some around here.

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08-08-2009, 02:56 PM
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Grabovski

He was acquired for 2nd rounder and some Leaf fans complain about him and some others about the 2nd round pick used to acquire him.

Do we know anyone who might fit that situation?

Joel Champagne is going to have to become quite a prospect with that 5th rounder to help offset that JFJ trade because 48 point rookie season Grabovski the value of 2nd rounder in trade is seen as having little impact by some around here.
You are a trifle confused because I didn't once criticize the Grabovski trade. A second round pick isn't much to give up to take a chance on a guy especially when you have a pretty good group of prospects.

Grabovski's 48 points had little impact, that is true though.

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