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08-11-2009, 06:10 PM
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So you want Stafford? I understand the displeasure towards Horton, but i don't think you realise thst Stafford is still a clear downgrade. Its like all the Ranger fans who are now calling Zherdev garbage, when he was still an above average NHL player. Horton is the same to an extent, fustrating to have and watch, but you still shouldn't downgrade the asset for a less productive and talented player. What else would Buffalo package of interest? We aren't getting another top 6 forward, or a top F prospect back. Thats what we need. Im not convinced downgrading Horton's productivity and upside is worth picking up another solid but average defenseman along with Stafford.
not saying I'm out pining for Stafford, but I'm at least interested in the package. Plus, it's summer and we now have something to talk about. I'd rather we did a Nate for Heater swap, but we all know the likelihood of that.

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.7 what? The fact is Horton has scored 62 pts. twice, and likely would have again last season if he didn't get hurt and played on the wing. Stafford is still unproven and had a subpar year last year. Their production isn't really that close.

I actually think we'd be looking at another forward coming back with Stafford or a good prospect, or both. We don't need any of their d-men they'd be willing to give up.
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=671641&page=2 Was referring to post #33.

Some guy who used to work for the team says he's heard Paille, Stafford, and a prospect for Nate. Not sure about that.

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08-11-2009, 06:25 PM
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I don't understand the logic in this either. You trade a guy signed through 2012-2013 at a cap-friendly deal for a 2x 30-goal scorer who volunteered to play out of position last year as our #1 center basically and still scored 22 goals for an RFA??? Am I missing something here?

Horts frustrates all of us but he is still young and has so much talent. I think our expectations are high for him given how guys like Kane, Toews, etc. have come into the league and put up points at very young ages. I think with some maturity Horton & some true top-end talent at center he can still become a 40 goal scorer.

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I don't understand the logic in this either. You trade a guy signed through 2012-2013 at a cap-friendly deal for a 2x 30-goal scorer who volunteered to play out of position last year as our #1 center basically and still scored 22 goals for an RFA??? Am I missing something here?

Horts frustrates all of us but he is still young and has so much talent. I think our expectations are high for him given how guys like Kane, Toews, etc. have come into the league and put up points at very young ages. I think with some maturity Horton & some true top-end talent at center he can still become a 40 goal scorer.
I don't have expectations based on other players and how they've done, I have expectations based on the flashes Nate shows and never is consistent with.

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lol if we make this deal, we'll be even more pathetic than I thought. What a joke

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Im sorry but this trade makes no sense. Trading a guy who is signed to a very reasonable contract for a downgrade and RFA???? This seems hard to believe. There has to be more to this than all the proposals everyone is throwing out. We really have no need to trade Horton right now and if we do we desperately to need replace his offense. Stafford is not going to cut it. FLA is not in any panic mode right now and does not need to unload Horton unless it is a great package coming back. With the proposals that are being offered and rumored, it basically makes this trade from a FLA point of view that they want Horton out and will take whatever. I think if Horton gets moved to Buffalo, it doesnt happen unless a Roy or Vanek comes back. If Sexson makes this trade to what these rumors are saying, I will be furious.

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lol if we make this deal, we'll be even more pathetic than I thought. What a joke
You don't even know what could be coming back yet. Could be crap, could be Ballard-like...you know, where most weren't happy at all at first.

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I would be very pissed off if Horton is traded for Stafford.

I would give Raymond, Schnieder, and a 3rd rounder or something for Horton.

The guy is big dude with skill and heart. What more do you want.

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Im sorry but this trade makes no sense. Trading a guy who is signed to a very reasonable contract for a downgrade and RFA???? This seems hard to believe. There has to be more to this than all the proposals everyone is throwing out. We really have no need to trade Horton right now and if we do we desperately to need replace his offense. Stafford is not going to cut it. FLA is not in any panic mode right now and does not need to unload Horton unless it is a great package coming back. With the proposals that are being offered and rumored, it basically makes this trade from a FLA point of view that they want Horton out and will take whatever. I think if Horton gets moved to Buffalo, it doesnt happen unless a Roy or Vanek comes back. If Sexson makes this trade to what these rumors are saying, I will be furious.
Horton wont fetch that id take Jason Pominville for horton would relieve a little cap space not much a little...


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I would be very pissed off if Horton is traded for Stafford.

I would give Raymond, Schnieder, and a 3rd rounder or something for Horton.

The guy is big dude with skill and heart. What more do you want.

The value of Schneider to the Panthers is not that high IMO.
We got Vokoun and Clemmenson in the NHL and got Markstrom and Salak as our up in coming goalies for the future.
Replace him with either another forward prospect(Grabner) or a defensive player (Bieska) and drop the pick if needed.

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I would be very pissed off if Horton is traded for Stafford.

I would give Raymond, Schnieder, and a 3rd rounder or something for Horton.

The guy is big dude with skill and heart. What more do you want.
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Horton wont fetch that id take Jason Pominville for horton would relieve a little cap space not much a little...
I forgot about JP. That would work.

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Pominville's good but I doubt buffalo would deal him. Plus I think I'd rather have Horton. He's still extremely young and is a "powerforward," usually not developed until about 26-27. He's played on several panther teams that have sucked, so I can understand his nights where he floats when it looks like we'll be mediocre and out of the playoffs. This past year he rarely floated down the stretch. You expect him to do it all out there. It's so idiotic IMO. There needs to be a good setup man to pair him with. Horton is our most talented forward and without him, Booth and Weiss would be much less productive. It makes no sense to trade him for a less talented player and accept quantity for quality. Just sign someone to play with Horton and watch him explode for 40. He's been forced to be a playmaker rather than a shooter, which has hurt his numbers.

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Pominville's good but I doubt buffalo would deal him. Plus I think I'd rather have Horton. He's still extremely young and is a "powerforward," usually not developed until about 26-27. He's played on several panther teams that have sucked, so I can understand his nights where he floats when it looks like we'll be mediocre and out of the playoffs. This past year he rarely floated down the stretch. You expect him to do it all out there. It's so idiotic IMO. There needs to be a good setup man to pair him with. Horton is our most talented forward and without him, Booth and Weiss would be much less productive. It makes no sense to trade him for a less talented player and accept quantity for quality. Just sign someone to play with Horton and watch him explode for 40. He's been forced to be a playmaker rather than a shooter, which has hurt his numbers.
Booth and Weiss weren't often with Nate last season. When has Nate been asked to be a playmaker?

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http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=671641&page=2 Was referring to post #33.

Some guy who used to work for the team says he's heard Paille, Stafford, and a prospect for Nate. Not sure about that.
OK, well their career PPG is similar, but you have to factor in Stafford's rookie year he played on the President's Trophy winning team and that really inflated his numbers. He's also missed a bunch of games, with injury and also he only played a half season in 06-07 so it's easier for him to have a better PPG average than Horton who's been in the league longer. Fact is, Stafford has only scored 20 goals once, and is not nearly as good as Horton is.

If it was Stafford, Paille, and a prospect like Gerbe or Kennedy, I could live with that. I still wouldn't like it though.

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I'm not overly excited by what's being rumored, but as I've said, I'm interested in it all.

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Booth and Weiss weren't often with Nate last season. When has Nate been asked to be a playmaker?
But Pete has said he wants the Sunrise Xpress to play together this season.

And last season Horton was asked to be a playmaker.

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Hope this doesn't happen.

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I really hope this doesn't happen either. I'm all for trading Horton only IF the deal benefits us in the long-run. For Stafford straight up would certainly not, but if they made a certain deal that would help us out, I'd at least think about it. While I've felt critical of Horton over the past few seasons because he definitely hasn't had numbers that a 3rd overall pick five seasons ago should have, I agree that he still has plenty of potential at his young age to live up to his expectations. Whether it's playing with more skilled line mates or to stop being so streaky, I think he can only get better as he ages over the next decade. The question is how much better.

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I really hope this doesn't happen either. I'm all for trading Horton only IF the deal benefits us in the long-run. For Stafford straight up would certainly not, but if they made a certain deal that would help us out, I'd at least think about it. While I've felt critical of Horton over the past few seasons because he definitely hasn't had numbers that a 3rd overall pick five seasons ago should have, I agree that he still has plenty of potential at his young age to live up to his expectations. Whether it's playing with more skilled line mates or to stop being so streaky, I think he can only get better as he ages over the next decade. The question is how much better.

If they want Stafford so badly (which I don't think is the case, rather, I think Buffalo is pushing for Horton), then 1.) why don't we throw an offer sheet at him and 2.)If Buffalo really wants Horton, we should be in a position of strength and should be getting back more than just Stafford, and not just 3rd and 4th line guys and a mid draft pick.

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GP, you heard any inside news on this rumor???

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This organization gets dumber by the day.

Why trade Horton? He's got a GREAT contract and isn't exactly a pylon out there.

Stafford is terrible and slow. He's the complete opposite in terms of what this team is going for in its look (fast and skilled).

I'm thinking this is a pipe dream from some pathetic Sabres fan but with this organization who knows. To trade one of our best offensive weapons for a 3rd liner who is UNSIGNED is just straight up retarded.

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If it happens, I think you guys would like Stafford. While hes not at Hortons level, hes had a very stellar career and will likely hit the 30-35 goal mark consistently. Hes great with the puck and has size and speed to boot. One of my favorite Sabres.

The other rumored forward that may be included is Dan Paille, a very solid 3rd line player who could be a 2nd line LW on some teams. Had 20 goals 2 yrs ago and could hit again

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This organization gets dumber by the day.

Why trade Horton? He's got a GREAT contract and isn't exactly a pylon out there.

Stafford is terrible and slow. He's the complete opposite in terms of what this team is going for in its look (fast and skilled).

I'm thinking this is a pipe dream from some pathetic Sabres fan but with this organization who knows. To trade one of our best offensive weapons for a 3rd liner who is UNSIGNED is just straight up retarded.
Well, I'm totally against this proposed trade, but Stafford isn't slow and is not a 3rd liner, to be fair to him.

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If it happens, I think you guys would like Stafford. While hes not at Hortons level, hes had a very stellar career and will likely hit the 30-35 goal mark consistently. Hes great with the puck and has size and speed to boot. One of my favorite Sabres.

The other rumored forward that may be included is Dan Paille, a very solid 3rd line player who could be a 2nd line LW on some teams. Had 20 goals 2 yrs ago and could hit again
If I'm to take your word for it that you have inside info, then any idea on the prospect included? D/F? Any names?

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This organization gets dumber by the day.

Why trade Horton? He's got a GREAT contract and isn't exactly a pylon out there.

Stafford is terrible and slow. He's the complete opposite in terms of what this team is going for in its look (fast and skilled).

I'm thinking this is a pipe dream from some pathetic Sabres fan but with this organization who knows. To trade one of our best offensive weapons for a 3rd liner who is UNSIGNED is just straight up retarded.
Stafford's terrible and slow? A 3rd liner?

I love how the organization gets dumber by the day (putting it ALL on them) and then you try to deflect it all on Sabres fans. Which is it?

No one knows what all the details involved are.

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