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08-13-2009, 04:28 PM
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I love his fighting style.

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I have mixed feelings about this trade.

a) I am glad we got rid of Miller and added some grit and size to our roster.

b) Artyukhin is fast and hits hard, but has zero hands.

c) He has a bad rep that follows him, potentially meaning more penalties for a team that stuggled staying out of the box last season and ended up paying for it.

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08-13-2009, 04:31 PM
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I have mixed feelings about this trade.

a) I am glad we got rid of Miller and added some grit and size to our roster.

b) Artyukhin is fast and hits hard, but has zero hands.

c) He has a bad rep that follows him, potentially meaning more penalties for a team that stuggled staying out of the box last season and ended up paying for it.
Good post. I like the toughness too but those other elements worry me too.

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08-13-2009, 04:38 PM
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Tampa fan here for a couple of reasons, firstly to ask about Miller, I dont know anything about him I will admit. So anything would be useful.

Secondly Artyukhin in case you arent familiar with him in the West

The good:
-Skates like the wind, supposedly beat St. Louis in a straight sprint, if only by a fraction.
-Destroys people with his hits, best hitter on the team by far last year. So many amazing hits last year, and he does do some good work on the forecheck.
-Draws penalties with his size and speed quite a lot, as he likes to go to the net if gets a chance.
-Will fight and is respectable if not against enforcers (he is not an enforcer more a big pest)

The bad:
-Cannot hit a one timer, they tried to teach him in practice this year, didnt work you wont see him hit one because he cant.
-Gets penalties because he is big and has a reputation.
-Hands of stone, and can give the puck away quite a bit because of this.
-Giving away the puck means he can be a defensive liability.

R2 was great, you have got one heck of a project forward and if he gets it together could be so good. I wish him the best.

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This is the nastiness I was hoping for. Well done bob.

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"In acquiring Drew Miller today, we were able to add a character individual, a versatile with good size and the ability to kill penalties," said Lightning general manager Brian Lawton in a statement. "Drew finished the season nicely in Anaheim a year ago, and he has played well for the Ducks in the postseason over his career."

Anyone else find that funny?

I'm happy with this trade as we got some needed size and grit on our bottom six (perhaps more importantly the 3rd line).

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We have too many Euros on this team now. I feel uneasy.

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i smell a line brawl against the sharks this year.

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08-13-2009, 04:58 PM
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Anyone else find it weird that Artyukhin shoots left but punches right?

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08-13-2009, 05:02 PM
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Tampa fan here for a couple of reasons, firstly to ask about Miller, I dont know anything about him I will admit. So anything would be useful.


That about sums it up.
I'll miss the entertainment.

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08-13-2009, 05:03 PM
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We have too many Euros on this team now. I feel uneasy.
There are 6 who will make the team, I guess.

Artyukhin
Hiller
Koivu
Nokelainen
Sbisa
Selanne

That's like a 100% increase from the Cup team. Still, aside from Hiller and Selanne, they're all the gritty hardworking types. No reason to fear just yet.

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08-13-2009, 05:36 PM
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God I love this trade, I really hope they try him with Getzlaf an Perry as he would create a ton of space for them. He has the speed and physicality of Kunitz, but has 50lbs and 7 inches on him.

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"In acquiring Drew Miller today, we were able to add a character individual, a versatile with good size and the ability to kill penalties," said Lightning general manager Brian Lawton in a statement. "Drew finished the season nicely in Anaheim a year ago, and he has played well for the Ducks in the postseason over his career."

Anyone else find that funny?

I'm happy with this trade as we got some needed size and grit on our bottom six (perhaps more importantly the 3rd line).
Well, Miller is tall, but he certainly doesn't play big.

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That about sums it up.
I'll miss the entertainment.
You know, looking back... that was a bad call.

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God I love this trade, I really hope they try him with Getzlaf an Perry as he would create a ton of space for them. He has the speed and physicality of Kunitz, but has 50lbs and 7 inches on him.
Now that... is an interesting idea.

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Anyone else find it weird that Artyukhin shoots left but punches right?
95% of left shooters are right handed so whats so weird about it?

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95% of left shooters are right handed so whats so weird about it?
Truth. Your dominant hand is at the top of the stick, because that's where most of the stick work is done.

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Love the acquisition. Exactly what our team needs. Toughness. Murray mentioned something about addressing toughness earlier (since we had lost so much recently), glad he followed through. He could play on the 4th line if Carlyle wants a physical and not offensive 4th line, or he could do spot duty on the top 2 lines (big enough for Getzlaf's line, quick enough for Selanne's line) a la Brad May.

Meh about losing Miller. I think he could become a decent finesse defensive type, but those aren't that hard to get.

Although trade-value wise, it just seems like a 3rd is about right for Artyukhin straight up. In my eyes, it seems like we got rid of Miller for nothing. Not that I care or that he's worth much more than nothing. Just an observation.

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Now that... is an interesting idea.
Think of the board work, All R2 would have to do is use his speed and size to create space and get the puck to Getzlaf, then just crash the net.

Now, obviously for this to work, Anaheim would have to go with 3 scoring lines. What would the other two be is the question. Personally I'd like to see this:

R2-Getzlaf-Perry (Another plus with this R2 shoots left)
Carter-Koivu-Selanne
Ryan-Marchant-Lupul
Brown-EC or Ebbet-Parros

Or if they want to go complete offense, replace Marchant with EC or Ebbet.

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Sounds like he'll be a good forechecker, fast + huge = dman rushes his pass and causes a turnover. Is he any good at camping out around the net and screening the goalie?

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08-13-2009, 06:05 PM
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Truth. Your dominant hand is at the top of the stick, because that's where most of the stick work is done.
I'm a righty and also right handed. I guess that's why i suck.

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08-13-2009, 06:08 PM
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Think of the board work, All R2 would have to do is use his speed and size to create space and get the puck to Getzlaf, then just crash the net.

Now, obviously for this to work, Anaheim would have to go with 3 scoring lines. What would the other two be is the question. Personally I'd like to see this:

R2-Getzlaf-Perry (Another plus with this R2 shoots left)
Carter-Koivu-Selanne
Ryan-Marchant-Lupul
Brown-EC or Ebbet-Parros

Or if they want to go complete offense, replace Marchant with EC or Ebbet.
I'm not sure I like Lupul and Ryan on the 3rd line, though. Getzlaf should be getting at least 20 minutes a game. Spreading out the remaining scoring to the 2nd and the 3rd line seems like we might not be getting as much out of players like Selanne, Koivu, Ryan, and Lupul as we should be.

I like the idea of throwing R2 in a Kunitz-type role. He, according to everything I've heard and seen, has incredible speed, hits like a truck, and is very strong on the forecheck... but I'd rather have 2 really strong scoring lines and and one pretty good 3rd scoring line than trying to create 3 really good scoring lines that may not get enough ice time.

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95% of left shooters are right handed so whats so weird about it?
Very true. Remember Beauchemin, the left hander who punched left? I'm sure Iginla thought it was weird too when he got clocked. Maybe Kopecky remembers this too.

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I'm a righty and also right handed. I guess that's why i suck.
A lot of rec players do that. But having your dominant hand up top gives you better overall control of the stick. That doesn't mean you can't be a great stickhandler. I think the general consensus is go with what is the most comfortable. But when you're coached and trained from a young age, they usually recommend right-handed/left-shooting and left-handed/right-shooting.

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Love the trade. Toughness was an issue with some of the trades Murray has made and this addresses that need at least to some degree.

Murray rules!

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