Thinking a player has maxed out at 23 is ridiculous. In a salary cap world a 1.2-1.7 mil Dubinsky is worth more than 7.8 mil Richards. Richards is just a different styled Gomez. He's not an impact player. We wouldn't trade Dubinsky for 50 goal 100 point Heatley who by the way makes 300k less than 20 goal 70 point Richards. He's a 2nd line center. Nothing more. Nothing less.
he's not a 50 goal scorer if that is what you are talking about, but he was the MVP when tampa won the cup.
He def. is a important player on any team. If he was to come to the rangers he would be our 2nd best foward.
he's not a 50 goal scorer if that is what you are talking about, but he was the MVP when tampa won the cup.
He def. is a important player on any team. If he was to come to the rangers he would be our 2nd best foward.
True, but that isn't what I meant. I meant that for 7.8 million dollars for someone who doesn't have slot of intangibles like Captain Cash, he better be posting at least a PPG.
Well I will be the first to come back and say sorry for being a doubter. But I don't see it man. I think AA has the higher ceiling and will soon replace Dubinsky. We will see soon enough I guess. Posted via Mobile Device
If that happens, beautiful. Then when we get a LEGITIMATE (aka not richards) # 1 center we can have AA as #2 and Drury/Dubi as #3/top 6 winger.
True, but that isn't what I meant. I meant that for 7.8 million dollars for someone who doesn't have slot of intangibles like Captain Cash, he better be posting at least a PPG.
We all understand the contract is too high for Richards, and the contract for drury is to large as well, but if you take that out of the equation, Richards is a good player. And his contract is shorter.
Personality i would prefer to see Sather get heatley or do nothing. But we all know Sather is looking for another 7M dollar contract... so all we can do is watch and hope it works out
We all understand the contract is too high for Richards, and the contract for drury is to large as well, but if you take that out of the equation, Richards is a good player. And his contract is shorter.
Personality i would prefer to see Sather get heatley or do nothing. But we all know Sather is looking for another 7M dollar contract... so all we can do is watch and hope it works out
Yes but in a cap world the contract is extremely important. Especially to a cap strapped team like the Rangers. Personally I want Sather to re-sign Dubi, and sign Chelios and be done.
True, but that isn't what I meant. I meant that for 7.8 million dollars for someone who doesn't have slot of intangibles like Captain Cash, he better be posting at least a PPG.
I hope you are being sarcastic about the intangibles thing...
That word is thrown around way too much.
When was the last time "intangibles" won a game for the Rangers?
Even Messier in one of the most memorable games of all time couldn't win a game soley based on intangibles, he had to score 4 points to win it. Posted via Mobile Device
I hope you are being sarcastic about the intangibles thing...
That word is thrown around way too much.
When was the last time "intangibles" won a game for the Rangers?
Even Messier in one of the most memorable games of all time couldn't win a game soley based on intangibles, he had to score 4 points to win it. Posted via Mobile Device
correct me if im wrong but i thought that is the intangibles; such as drury scoring on us with 7.7 seconds or whatever it was
I hope you are being sarcastic about the intangibles thing...
That word is thrown around way too much.
When was the last time "intangibles" won a game for the Rangers?
Even Messier in one of the most memorable games of all time couldn't win a game soley based on intangibles, he had to score 4 points to win it. Posted via Mobile Device
Many times. And no intangibles don't win games by themselves that'd be silly to say. But when I think intangibles I think blocking shots, going in the corners, clutch on FO's, stick up for teammates, great leader, ect. Messier had intangibles at the elite level.
Many times. And no intangibles don't win games by themselves that'd be silly to say. But when I think intangibles I think blocking shots, going in the corners, clutch on FO's, stick up for teammates, great leader, ect. Messier had intangibles at the elite level.
Well that's one way to look at it, I consider anything with a stat associated with it as a "tangible". That's just a difference of opinion I guess.
Intangibles to me would be all the behind the scenes locker room type stuff Drury and others supposedly have along with things like leading by example on the ice and sticking up for team mates etc...
Many times. And no intangibles don't win games by themselves that'd be silly to say. But when I think intangibles I think blocking shots, going in the corners, clutch on FO's, stick up for teammates, great leader, ect. Messier had intangibles at the elite level.
So Sjostrom def. got under paid, he should of got 6.5 easily with all those intangibles
This argument was used by some to justify the Gaborik signing (which doesn't need justification). But now it's being used to justify keeping Dubinsky, the glorified checking center over Richards the legit offensive player... I am not even a fan of Richards but he is a better player than the Great Dubinsky will ever be.
Dubinsky managed 40 points with one of the best wingers ever on his line. He managed 41 with lesser wingers this year he could probably manage 45 with Gaborik. It is quite possible that Dubinsky is and always will be a 40-50 point player and I am doubting he reaches 50 often. Posted via Mobile Device
they played something like 25 games together...you make it seem like he was riding shotgun to jagr the whole season.
they played something like 25 games together...you make it seem like he was riding shotgun to jagr the whole season.
Further proving the point that just because Dubinsky played with Jagr his rookie season does not guarantee he can or should play with Gaborik. Argument goes both ways. Posted via Mobile Device
Further proving the point that just because Dubinsky played with Jagr his rookie season does not guarantee he can or should play with Gaborik. Argument goes both ways. Posted via Mobile Device
clearly it doesn't guarantee anything. camp is to figure out what players mesh well with others...with that said, his size, speed, and power game would seem to be a good compliment for the speedster gaborik...dubi would generate time and space for him with his game...but again, theres no telling how they would play off each other...
clearly it doesn't guarantee anything. camp is to figure out what players mesh well with others...with that said, his size, speed, and power game would seem to be a good compliment for the speedster gaborik...dubi would generate time and space for him with his game...but again, theres no telling how they would play off each other...
Not to really bash Dubi but i think he is really weak on the puck, he should def. bulk up a little bit... like 10 pounds of muscle etc.. to improve his balance etc..
He also is not really a threat, I could see Dubi and Gabby playing on the same line not lasting or not working for long.
Not to really bash Dubi but i think he is really weak on the puck, he should def. bulk up a little bit... like 10 pounds of muscle etc.. to improve his balance etc..
He also is not really a threat, I could see Dubi and Gabby playing on the same line not lasting or not working for long.
i dont really agree with that assessment at all..i think hes pretty strong on the puck...
clearly it doesn't guarantee anything. camp is to figure out what players mesh well with others...with that said, his size, speed, and power game would seem to be a good compliment for the speedster gaborik...dubi would generate time and space for him with his game...but again, theres no telling how they would play off each other...
What power game? Speed yeah he's fairly quick. Size wise he certainly isn't massive if he played on a line with Higgins and Gaborik he would be the biggest by around 10lbsm They are all 6ft, 200ish. Also he IS pretty weak on the puck. Posted via Mobile Device
I hope you are being sarcastic about the intangibles thing...
That word is thrown around way too much.
When was the last time "intangibles" won a game for the Rangers?
Even Messier in one of the most memorable games of all time couldn't win a game soley based on intangibles, he had to score 4 points to win it. Posted via Mobile Device
And let's not forget Kovalev had the game of his life too.
Meh. One year left at that price tag doesn't bother me. We won't have to worry about him after this season. Plus, he is a 70 - 80 point player. He's better than Gomez. I don't know what's not to like. Than he'll be a RFA and we'd have a chance to sign him at a reduced cost.
Yes but in a cap world the contract is extremely important. Especially to a cap strapped team like the Rangers. Personally I want Sather to re-sign Dubi, and sign Chelios and be done.
Chelios? No thanks.
I understand your desire to have some cap flexibility, but Chelios would be AWFUL.
Bouillon would offer exactly what we need in a 3rd pairing defenseman at a bargain basement price.
Hard hitting, decent defensively, stay at home, heart and soul player to pair up with Gilroy.
This Dubinsky thing is getting old already. I wish that he either gets signed or traded already so we can all just see what happens already.
I hope we keep him, but if the right deal came along I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
He is ready for his breakout season, though. So it would be nice for him to have it as a Ranger.
Thinking a player has maxed out at 23 is ridiculous. In a salary cap world a 1.2-1.7 mil Dubinsky is worth more than 7.8 mil Richards. Richards is just a different styled Gomez. He's not an impact player. We wouldn't trade Dubinsky for 50 goal 100 point Heatley who by the way makes 300k less than 20 goal 70 point Richards. He's a 2nd line center. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Richards isn't an impact player?
Your aware he's won a Conn Smythe right? The guy's a helluva playoff performer and playmaker.
Your aware he's won a Conn Smythe right? The guy's a helluva playoff performer and playmaker.
agreed. that's what happens when a dumb gm overpays you and you're counted on to be the savior for 2 bad situations in a row. i expect an 80 point season if he stays healthy, and getting dallas into the playoffs. (or the rangers if traded)
Your aware he's won a Conn Smythe right? The guy's a helluva playoff performer and playmaker.
that was 5 years ago. He clearly hasnt been the same player the last 3 seasons. He hit 90 points in the lockout season, but hell even gomez had 84 that season. He's obviously an upgrade over gomez , but at 7.8 million? No thanks.
