Wasnt a big fan of the trade because 4th line centers wont see a lot of action under Torts. Boyle is right. His time is running out. He has proven very little at the NHL level, and there is no way he will be as valuable as Betts was in terms of defense. He's going to have to out-battle a bunch of guys playing their butts off for the last three spots. In my mind, Boyle, Brashear, Voros, Lisin, Byers, Rissmiller, Arnason, and a whole lotta youngsters and AHL'ers are going to duke it out in camp.
In my mind, Boyle, Brashear, Voros, Lisin, Byers, Rissmiller, Arnason, and a whole lotta youngsters and AHL'ers are going to duke it out in camp.
I know nothing about the Rags roster, but if I were to go strictly based on the above quote....
Brashear-Established NHL heavyweight. Would be traded or retire before going to the minors. A lock to make the team.
Voros- has scored more NHL goals then Boyle, and certainly much better suited as a legit 3rd/4th line player. Most likely will make the team barring horrible camp.
And without question Rissmiller and Arnason both have much more tangible NHL experience.
Using this as a guide, Boyle has to have a great camp to have any chance.
I know nothing about the Rags roster, but if I were to go strictly based on the above quote....
Brashear-Established NHL heavyweight. Would be traded or retire before going to the minors. A lock to make the team.
Voros- has scored more NHL goals then Boyle, and certainly much better suited as a legit 3rd/4th line player. Most likely will make the team barring horrible camp.
And without question Rissmiller and Arnason both have much more tangible NHL experience.
Using this as a guide, Boyle has to have a great camp to have any chance.
Rissmiller spent all of last season in the AHL. And sulked, and pissed off his teammates. The only reason he's still with us is because he's toxic and signed for two more years, so no one would want him.
Arnason, who knows. I think he's a sleeper that a lot of people on our team are overlooking.
Voros looks more like a healthy scratch than anything. He was a scratch a lot last season, and we have more forward depth this year. I don't know how well you know him, but he doesn't do much of anything well other than occupy space. If Boyle plays him even, it's hard to see him preventing Boyle from regular ice time.
Rissmiller spent all of last season in the AHL. And sulked, and pissed off his teammates. The only reason he's still with us is because he's toxic and signed for two more years, so no one would want him.
Arnason, who knows. I think he's a sleeper that a lot of people on our team are overlooking.
Voros looks more like a healthy scratch than anything. He was a scratch a lot last season, and we have more forward depth this year. I don't know how well you know him, but he doesn't do much of anything well other than occupy space. If Boyle plays him even, it's hard to see him preventing Boyle from regular ice time.
Not to mention that Boyle's a center, whereas Voros is a wing - and we have a LOT of depth at wing and are relatively thin at center.
It's a spot to lose for Boyle, IMO. He's got a better shot of starting with the 3rd line center job, than he does of starting the season in HFD.
hahahah it seems that way with some of the things that have been said by a lot of the new players...maybe its the torts influence and his camp that he has prepared for them because if theyre not ready they can count on it they wont be sticking around for long
Wasnt a big fan of the trade because 4th line centers wont see a lot of action under Torts. Boyle is right. His time is running out. He has proven very little at the NHL level, and there is no way he will be as valuable as Betts was in terms of defense. He's going to have to out-battle a bunch of guys playing their butts off for the last three spots. In my mind, Boyle, Brashear, Voros, Lisin, Byers, Rissmiller, Arnason, and a whole lotta youngsters and AHL'ers are going to duke it out in camp.
I don't think Boyle was brought in for his defense--I think he's here because the organization thinks he can outplay Betts on the offensive end, while providing enough defense. If they were looking for a pure defensive center to play the 4th line, they could have always re-signed Betts (who seems to have priced himself out of the market).
hahahah it seems that way with some of the things that have been said by a lot of the new players...maybe its the torts influence and his camp that he has prepared for them because if theyre not ready they can count on it they wont be sticking around for long
Hey I'm all for it, no better way to start the season after the last one
I think Boyle's acquisition, along with Lisin, Williams, McDonagh, Chad Johnson etc. was part of Sather's continuing strategy to trade for young assets that have potential upside. His scouts have obviously filed positive reports and the organization feels that the price justifies the acquisitions. I don't agree with every trade but I do agree with the strategy. At least he is not trading for old guys.
I really think Boyle is going to be on the wing more than at center. Two reasons--even though he's huge and takes up a lot of space--his skating isn't that great and a center needs to be able to cover a lot of ground--that being said he's not that great defensively. Going on the wing his defensive responsibilites aren't as critical. As well I think he's more of a shooter than a passer. Used on the pwp he's a guy you stick in front of the net--not have making plays. If he's going to make it IMO it's going to be as a winger.
I don't think Boyle was brought in for his defense--I think he's here because the organization thinks he can outplay Betts on the offensive end, while providing enough defense. If they were looking for a pure defensive center to play the 4th line, they could have always re-signed Betts (who seems to have priced himself out of the market).
But how much offense can Boyle generate when he is probably playing 4-7 mins a night? I personally think Sather and Torts are trying to form some sort of bash-and-bang 4th line instead of the muck-and-grind ones we've had the last two years
I really think Boyle is going to be on the wing more than at center. Two reasons--even though he's huge and takes up a lot of space--his skating isn't that great and a center needs to be able to cover a lot of ground--that being said he's not that great defensively. Going on the wing his defensive responsibilites aren't as critical. As well I think he's more of a shooter than a passer. Used on the pwp he's a guy you stick in front of the net--not have making plays. If he's going to make it IMO it's going to be as a winger.
Totally agreed....Boyle just doesnt have the wheels to play center IMO, he would be great on the PP in the exact situation you described above.
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Originally Posted by Scipio Africanus
But how much offense can Boyle generate when he is probably playing 4-7 mins a night? I personally think Sather and Torts are trying to form some sort of bash-and-bang 4th line instead of the muck-and-grind ones we've had the last two years
This is another great point, I dont think Boyle's game is really bashing and banging despite his huge frame and if this is the role up for grabs I would think Voros better suited for this role.
I really think Boyle is going to be on the wing more than at center. Two reasons--even though he's huge and takes up a lot of space--his skating isn't that great and a center needs to be able to cover a lot of ground--that being said he's not that great defensively. Going on the wing his defensive responsibilites aren't as critical. As well I think he's more of a shooter than a passer. Used on the pwp he's a guy you stick in front of the net--not have making plays. If he's going to make it IMO it's going to be as a winger.
Wing? Maybe, but we are very deep there. Also, he is not as defensively malignant as stated. The Kings actually tried to turn him into a defenseman very early. They then switched him back to Center, when it became apparent he was better suited for that role. From what i understand, LA tried that because of his size and toughness, thinking he would make a hulking offensive-minded Dman... As 4th line center, he would be very solid, and pot the occasional goal. 2nd unit PP time, he could really get a few. 4th line is going to be brutal! Killer B's...Brashear,Boyle, and Byers
Totally agreed....Boyle just doesnt have the wheels to play center IMO, he would be great on the PP in the exact situation you described above.
This is another great point, I dont think Boyle's game is really bashing and banging despite his huge frame and if this is the role up for grabs I would think Voros better suited for this role.
Ouch! Brother, please try to understand that when you say the word Voros on a Rangers board, it can be very painful! The guy, while big, is about as tough as a newborn kitten, and hits about as hard...
Wing? Maybe, but we are very deep there. Also, he is not as defensively malignant as stated. The Kings actually tried to turn him into a defenseman very early. They then switched him back to Center, when it became apparent he was better suited for that role. From what i understand, LA tried that because of his size and toughness, thinking he would make a hulking offensive-minded Dman... As 4th line center, he would be very solid, and pot the occasional goal. 2nd unit PP time, he could really get a few. 4th line is going to be brutal! Killer B's...Brashear,Boyle, and Byers
I'm aware of the Kings' experimenting with him as a d-man in the AHL--due in part to driving home a message about a centerman's responsibilities to support the D. The thing that I'm trying to get at has more to do with accentuating a player's strengths. Boyle can't help but be physical just because of his size--if given a job description that negates some of his defensive responsibility while allowing his size, good shot and release to come more into play we might see something like what Antropov brought to the team at last year's deadline. Just saying he has some skills (shot and release) and some attributes (great size and at least a little bit of a mean streak) that could make him a very effective player if put in the right situations. He might play a lot on the 4th line but he will be the most skilled player there--though I don't think center is where I'd rather have him.
th line is going to be brutal! Killer B's...Brashear,Boyle, and Byers
The guy, while big, is about as tough as a newborn kitten, and hits about as hard...
