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08-20-2009, 10:03 PM
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Boyle, Rafalski, Blake. Chelios if you want to go back a bit further.

Of the 45 highest-scoring defenders in the NHL in 2008-09 :

- 16 are European
- 15 played in the CHL
- 14 played in the NCAA

And, yeah, a couple of the Euros spent a season in the CHL, but generally it's a pretty even 3-way split.
Good stats, but I don't get why defensive scoring is relevant. Schroeder is a forward (not directing this at you).

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08-20-2009, 10:20 PM
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Good stats, but I don't get why defensive scoring is relevant. Schroeder is a forward (not directing this at you).
wait... seriously? JS isn't a Defenseman??? I thought MG wanted to take a defenseman in the first round??

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08-20-2009, 10:30 PM
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wait... seriously? JS isn't a Defenseman??? I thought MG wanted to take a defenseman in the first round??
It's Stan Smyl's fault obviously.

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Someone posted a quote from the sun in the mainboard thread on John Schroeder saying they'd talked about it and staying in School for another year was the choice they were going to mak.e.

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08-20-2009, 10:43 PM
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This is a ridiculous argument that has carried over from the Prospects Board as well. Not singling you out or anything, but general league comparisons are completely insubstantial when you're dealing with the development of a specific prospect. I'm sure some players will develop better under a NCAA system whereas some might benefit more from the WHL-style of hockey.

It's probably more prudent to actually discuss, which league would better suite Schroeder's development rather then debate which league is actually 'better'.
It's the exact same thing with coaches too

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He doesn't play a speed game, and you're correct about that. However, a larger rink's effects is not as simple as just being a factor on speed-oriented plays. It's more about time and space.

With Schroeder, he plays a thinking, passing game - and that is going to be challenged when he hits the ice in a league with less space and time to work with, along with closer and rougher checking. In a bigger rink, he has that extra bit of room and time to work with, and that is the advantage that he gains from working with international size ice, and it's a huge difference.

Then again, he can be Paul Stastny - straight from the NCAA to AHL. However, he doesn't have the puck protection abilities of Stastny, so he'll either need to develop that part of his game, or...
I disagree: http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospect...d=5623&tab=scr

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NCAA would benefit Schroeder because Schroeder plays with tougher opponents than the NCAA with men rather than boys in the WHL. Without Stoa, Schroeder is going to have work twice as hard to dominate the NCAA. Stoa played a factor in his season and creating space.
While this is true to an extent, the WHL has more NHL prospects, so the competition is pretty similar.


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08-20-2009, 10:55 PM
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Like it or not. The "men" in the NCAA are more sound than the "boys" in the WHL. The defensive system is better in the NCAA while in the WHL, it's near nonexistent. Not all WHL players become NHL'ers.
As far as I can tell the dub is the most defensive and most physical league in the CHL.

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08-20-2009, 10:57 PM
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This was discussed earlier in a couple of threads. It was based upon post draft comments from Dave Gagne that he beleived that Schroeder was one of the most NHL ready picks in the first round. Also Schroeder was interviewed when he was in town for the rookie orientation camp and said he had some things to think about when he went home:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...g#post20348317
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...g#post20375301
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...g#post20544186

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The thing is that if he signs his ELC, the organization has so many more options for him. It's not a slight against the NCAA or the Gophers so much as it's a less dynamic development path to keep him in the NCAA this year.

If he signs a deal here, he can come to rookie camp for a long look, then the main camp, then experience an NHL pre-season, then subsequently play 9 NHL games. If he doesn't impress then he ends up in the WHL which although might not have as many 23 year olds, will be on a smaller rink with more games -and that's the WORST case.

If he plays well in camp and pre-season, he could end up being a big force in the AHL and even getting call-ups ahead of somebody like Grabner. The point is that the organization can decide this fall where he fits and what's best for him after spending more time with him closely.

There's nothing wrong with the NCAA, it's just that there is a decent chance it's not the best route for him this fall. After all he's only 6 months younger than Hodgson, the AHL is not a bad option for him right now.
Good post. I agree.

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Farhan Devji article:

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At one point this summer, the Silvertips were given "a lot of indication" from Schroeder's agent that he would sign with the Vancouver Canucks, and therefore join the 'Tips organization.

- When asked if there's still a possibility that Schroeder will start the season with Everett, Soetaert responded: "no, not right now." However, he didn't rule out something getting done perhaps during the season.
http://fdevji.blogspot.com/2009/08/s...ilvertips.html

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08-20-2009, 11:40 PM
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I thought having a player agent would void Schroeder's scholarship to play in the NCAA?

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I thought having a player agent would void Schroeder's scholarship to play in the NCAA?
There's ways around that. Likely Schroeder's agent is officially his "advisor"

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There's ways around that. Likely Schroeder's agent is officially his "advisor"
Gotcha.

I hope that they don't write him off completely and are set on sending him to Everett though. I'd like to see him get a fair shot to make the big club this year, and if he does impress, give him a 9 game trial. Would be nice to see him shift to Hodgson's wing.

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Could we see an Okposo situation based on that comment? The Canucks seem to have some concern with that program and the Islanders certainly did.

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Confirmed with link: Dan Murphy's an idiot

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/h...042/story.html

Schroeder to Minnesota. Confirmed by pops.

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Schroeder to Minnesota. Confirmed by pops.
Doesn't surprise me a bit. The whole "Schroeder to Everett" rumour made no sense. The only way I could've seen it all making sense is if he signed pro to get camp, maybe earn his 9-game trial and then play for Arniel in Manitoba.

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Second time Murphy's been wrong the summer (Sundin hasn't retired yet either)

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“Playing in the WHL is probably not an option for us.”
So you're saying there's a chance.

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Looks like they'll just delay the signing by 6 months and he'll suit up for the Moose in March.

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Second time Murphy's been wrong the summer (Sundin hasn't retired yet either)
Yup, because Schroeder has decided to not sign a contract quite obviously the Canucks didn't want to sign him to one.

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Yup, because Schroeder has decided to not sign a contract quite obviously the Canucks didn't want to sign him to one.
It sounds like that was a decision made earlier in the summer based on Devji's interview with Soetart. Wrong was perhaps too harsh, but his report sounds like it was based on old information.

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It sounds like that was a decision made earlier in the summer based on Devji's interview with Soetart. Wrong was perhaps too harsh, but his report sounds like it was based on old information.
Yeah, I agree with that.

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