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08-23-2009, 06:29 AM
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One thing regarding Lee's playing time, he's coming in to play. It's expected he will play over Dunn who has not impressed in the least (and it's been sugtgested maybe he should red-shirt) and should push Weslosky for playing time. If Weslosky falters, expect Lee to be the starter by mid-season. Motzko loves this kid and if he wasn't going to see ice time, he wouldn't have been brought in when we could have left him in Fargo for another season.

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(OK, maybe he overpaid for Hale a bit, a bit, just a bit ).
You can't overpay when you didn't pay anything in the first place.

You prolly meant salary in which case its now TB's problem.

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08-23-2009, 03:07 PM
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My top 20, because why not?

1) Oliver Ekman-Larsson
2) Brett MacLean
3) Maxim Goncharov
4) Kevin Porter
5) Viktor Tikhonov
6) Chad Kolarik
7) Jonas Ahnelov
8) Chris Summers
9) Sami Lepisto
10) Michael Stone
11) Nick Ross
12) Mike Lee
13) David Schlemko
14) Chris Brown
15) Scott Darling
16) Jared Staal
17) Brett Hextall
18) Jordan Szwarz
19) Sean Sullivan
20) Justin Bernhardt

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08-23-2009, 03:23 PM
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If David Spina is not in the Top 20, where does he rank and does he even have a shot at the NHL someday?

Oh well, so much for the idea of creating headlines in AZ with have the first AZ born player playing on the Yotes.

At least we had a hockey player from an Arizona University(NAU) play for the Yotes, Greg "Gus" Adams.
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I'm actually glad someone placed VT in the middle as that is exactly where he belongs, and why it is so important to target players like Upshall, Lombardi, Korpikoski and Vrbata. Players like that make VT better. Takes the pressure off and let's him develop. Same thing for kids like Turris and Boedker who project as top six players, but get some cover from younger vets who are just entering their prime.

When Maloney dealt Sjostrom, LeNeveau and Gratton for Marcel Hossa and Montoya my first thought was, WTF? Yet Montoya is the last-man-standing in that deal, and he may still pan out as a quality #1A or #2 NHL goalie. He was never going to unseat Lundqvist, but he should have caught Bryz's attention down the stretch last year.

And that seems to be Maloney's approach: bring in former 1st-rounders and younger vets who can push the old guys to show they deserve to keep a job; and show the young guys that hard work and perseverance can lead to success in the NHL.

A 1st-rounder who hasn't achieved star status by age 21 isn't a failure. That notion is too prevalent amongst fans and organizations. Maloney seems to get that and is willing to roll the dice and acquire former 1st-rounders who didn't pan out for the organizations that drafted them. Yet he doesn't overpay. (OK, maybe he overpaid for Hale a bit, a bit, just a bit ).
The middle is where you may want VT to be listed for the sake of his development, as you've explained above. Nevertheless on a prospect list, more specifically on my prospect list, I realized he belongs higher up than where I originally put him based on merit.

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How come Montoya or Tordjiman aren't on this?

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How come Montoya or Tordjiman aren't on this?
Age. They're over the HF threshold where they're no longer considered prospects.


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A player will be considered a prospect until he meets the following criteria:

1. If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 65 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.

2. An NCAA player who signs his first contract at or above the age of 22 has three years to meet the above criteria (65/45), while those NCAA players that turn pro under the age of 22 will be subjected to the criteria above.

3. European players who sign their first NHL contract at or above the age of 22 have three seasons from the time they sign that contract to meet the above criteria. Those European players below the age of 22 that have signed a NHL contract will be subjected to the criteria in section one.

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How come Montoya or Tordjiman aren't on this?
They've each officially graduated due to age. According to the criteria, both of them turned 24 years of age which eliminates them from the list.

David Spina doesn't qualify because he signed his first professional contract at 25. If I'm understanding correctly, if an NCAA player signs before the age of 24 they will have three seasons on the list. Spina was a year too old.

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Goncharov is way too low. To penalize him for still being in Russia is silly, unless you want to ding OEL for still being over in Europe too.
The difference is the KHL is scratching and clawing to do everything they can to keep their young talent in their league, and that does not happen in Sweden. While Goncharov has said all the right things and seems genuinely interested in coming to North America, there have been a couple cases over the years of highly touted players who fade slowly into obscurity because it just never ends up happening. That said, he's probably a little low and it won't be something that sends him out of the top ten unless he changes his mind on his willingness to come to North America.

Also for any Benn Ferriero, who had been ranked prior but did not sign by the August 15 deadline, fans -- he signed an entry-level deal with San Jose today.

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Also for any Benn Ferriero, who had been ranked prior but did not sign by the August 15 deadline, fans -- he signed an entry-level deal with San Jose today.
Argh...

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My top 20, because why not?

1) Oliver Ekman-Larsson
2) Brett MacLean
3) Maxim Goncharov
4) Kevin Porter
5) Viktor Tikhonov
6) Chad Kolarik
7) Jonas Ahnelov
8) Chris Summers
9) Sami Lepisto
10) Michael Stone
11) Nick Ross
12) Mike Lee
13) David Schlemko
14) Chris Brown
15) Scott Darling
16) Jared Staal
17) Brett Hextall
18) Jordan Szwarz
19) Sean Sullivan
20) Justin Bernhardt
My top five:
1. OEL
2. Tikhonov
3. Porter
4. MacLean
5. Goncharov

...after that, I'd put Chris Summers there. After that, I have no idea...

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Thanks for all the feedback. I suppose I didn't do too bad for a first timer if Goncharov is the only major issue.

I saw him in the WJC too and came away very impressed. But other than that I haven't seen him play much, and I'm more familiar with the guys in front of him. I think the main reason he's down that low is because most of the guys in front of him are really close to NHL jobs. Goncharov has the upside -- maybe even more than the guys in front of him, but he's got to get to North America eventually. I've read that he wants to come over but until he does, I'm sure if I could put him in the top 3 (among this crop, anyway).

But I'll keep a close eye on him this season. It's a big year for a lot of the defensemen. Ahnelov needs to stay healthy so he can move up to the next level, Summers needs to step it up and perform like a first round pick who's staying for a senior season, and Ross needs to make some noise in the AHL or else he might be buried on the depth chart. If Goncharov remains a solid player in the KHL he could end up overtaking any one of those guys.

Thanks again guys, keep it coming.
D-man Mathieu Brodeur (3rd Rnd, 2008) would be worth keeping an eye on as well. Despite being 6'06", he has good mobility and is getting better and better at moving the puck. If he could add a physical dimension to his game, watch out.

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Sucks to see Ferriero go there.. as if San Jose needed any more talent.. they're the #1 drafting team.

But it also shows Coyotes drafting is improving when other teams are picking these guys up, reminds me of Zeiler joining the Kings.

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One thing regarding Lee's playing time, he's coming in to play. It's expected he will play over Dunn who has not impressed in the least (and it's been sugtgested maybe he should red-shirt) and should push Weslosky for playing time. If Weslosky falters, expect Lee to be the starter by mid-season. Motzko loves this kid and if he wasn't going to see ice time, he wouldn't have been brought in when we could have left him in Fargo for another season.
I'm assuming for your username you probably already know this, but for any Mike Lee fans on this board, Weslosky has left SCSU.

http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll...fe.sctimes.com

If Dunn has indeed been very unimpressive, I'd say Mike Lee's going to be playing a lot of games this season.

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I'm assuming for your username you probably already know this, but for any Mike Lee fans on this board, Weslosky has left SCSU.

http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll...fe.sctimes.com

If Dunn has indeed been very unimpressive, I'd say Mike Lee's going to be playing a lot of games this season.
That's likely the plan. I'd expect Dunn and Lee to split to start the year and Lee to take it outright by December unless Dunn has improved big time.

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My top five:
1. OEL
2. Tikhonov
3. Porter
4. MacLean
5. Goncharov

...after that, I'd put Chris Summers there. After that, I have no idea...
I like your top five, except that I would leave out Tikhonov. I know he's technically still considered a prospect, but just barely.

I think most people around here have Porter rated too low. Sure, he had some growing pains last season, but I thought he played pretty well for the Yotes and played very well for the Rampage.

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Oliver Ekman-Larsson takes over the top spot on the Coyotes Top 20 prospects list.

More...

FYI, typo with Ahnelov's birthdate -- he's an '87 not '88.

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I like your top five, except that I would leave out Tikhonov. I know he's technically still considered a prospect, but just barely.

I think most people around here have Porter rated too low. Sure, he had some growing pains last season, but I thought he played pretty well for the Yotes and played very well for the Rampage.
I believe that Goncharov has much more upside than Porter/MacLean/Summers

but that's just my opinion

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When are we going to see this Goncharov you speak of?

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My top 10...

1. OEL
2. Porter
3. Tikhonov
4. Maclean
5. Goncharov
6. Summers
7. Ahnelov
8. Kolarik
9. Lepsito
10. Stone

Did my ranking based off there peformance last year and their top end potential.

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When are we going to see this Goncharov you speak of?
He has one more year to go in KHL. He wants to play in NHL, that's his dream has made that known. He vacations from KHL in Florida.

Next year he'll be playing for the Yotes.

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He has one more year to go in KHL. He wants to play in NHL, that's his dream has made that known. He vacations from KHL in Florida.

Next year he'll be playing for the Yotes.
Aucoin's spot will be up for grabs, but he'll have Chris Summers to beat out for it.

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I like your top five, except that I would leave out Tikhonov. I know he's technically still considered a prospect, but just barely.
In that case...

1. Larsson
2. Porter
3. MacLean
4. Goncharov
5. Summers

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Upon reaching the NHL, players with two last names almost always drop one, right? I can't think of any that have kept both. I'm guessing "OEL" will be known simply as Oliver Larsson, before too long.

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Aucoin's spot will be up for grabs, but he'll have Chris Summers to beat out for it.
Perhaps Michalek's too, since he too will be a UFA after this season (hopefully he re-signs). In addition to Gonch2 and Summers, it wouldn't be a surprise to see OEL, err Oliver Larsson, also knocking on the door next year (esp when you consider Karlsson (OTT) and Hedman (TB) signed this off-season).

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Upon reaching the NHL, players with two last names almost always drop one, right? I can't think of any that have kept both. I'm guessing "OEL" will be known simply as Oliver Larsson, before too long.
I wondered the same thing, I couldn't recall any player with two last names. But then I remembered Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre. I think he counts.

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Upon reaching the NHL, players with two last names almost always drop one, right? I can't think of any that have kept both. I'm guessing "OEL" will be known simply as Oliver Larsson, before too long.
I remember when he first jumped onto the radar MSP/MPS was just Magnus Paajarvi, and when he got drafted by Edmonton his jersey just said Paajarvi. Not sure what'll happen with OEL, I'm assuming that all runs on a very personal basis depending on what factors with the family result in a player having two last names anyway.

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