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08-26-2009, 01:28 PM
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Now if I really wanted to extrapolate, I could point out about how CBJ management called up Filatov last year so he could “soak in” the playoff chase atmosphere, which really didn't strike anyone as a puzzling move. And how that probably had nothing to do with wooing him, getting him out of the minors, putting him in a nice hotel and letting him enjoy the spoils of professional life. Kid just LOVED Syracuse, right?

Or I could note that, for all the talk of earning a spot, an examination of the roster would seem to indicate he’s guaranteed a spot on the NHL club, despite the fact that he only played a few games (and was used sparingly for most) and is AHL eligible.

And I could mention, as others have, that if the KHL isn’t a thought or isn’t an issue (now or down the road) why discuss it, why address it, sorta like a significant other constantly referencing a past relationship, just to remind you there’s options.

But I’m not going to do that, cuz that'd all be absurd, right?

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Key words there, with Hitch as his coach, a man who hates small players, and Europeans, it will be interesting to see if he gets ice time. Hopefully he is allowed to create offense and not turned into a defensive specialist.
Let the kid play Hitch.
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I see it as; "You play me on the NHL team, or I'll go to Russia."
Perhaps not quite that black and white, but the whole: I will then consider the KHL as an option if I am not playing for the jackets is not ideal (and I am not surprised that it is coming from this kid). The fact is that he is under contract with the jackets and he seems to have a bit of 'I am doing you team a favor by staying in N. America so you better play me,' is bothersome. In all fairness to him, however, guys like Kane, Towes Stamkos all came straight out of jr. and played a full season so he feels he should be able to so I can understand why he is itching to get in, but just play and stop talking about the KHL as an option--not when you are under contract.

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Again, not saying, that WON'T ultimately be the case, just pointing out that there are important aspects to the equation that haven't been filled in yet.
Didn't quote it all, but good post. Pretty much how I feel.



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Hey! What did I do? Plus, I don't even know what this means!


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Let's get this party started right...Lindsay Kramer has now gotten the scent...

http://blog.syracuse.com/crunch/2009...less_agai.html

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And I could mention, as others have, that if the KHL isnít a thought or isnít an issue (now or down the road) why discuss it, why address it, sorta like a significant other constantly referencing a past relationship, just to remind you thereís options.

But Iím not going to do that, cuz that'd all be absurd, right?

If we didnt discuss this and add all of our conspiracy theories, rants and raves, we would be bad fans.

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Let's get this party started right...Lindsay Kramer has now gotten the scent...

http://blog.syracuse.com/crunch/2009...less_agai.html
Wow, read the first comment after Kramer's entry.

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Let's get this party started right...Lindsay Kramer has now gotten the scent...

http://blog.syracuse.com/crunch/2009...less_agai.html
Oh dear G-d.

That first commenter, by the way, is a pretty notorious troll. I don't take a word he says seriously, ever.

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Yes. Perhaps you should alert the worldwide hockey media of your "no more Niki interviews" position. It seems to be laboring under the misconception that people want to hear what he has to say.
Come on DSL, I didn't say anything about the worldwide hockey media. Nikki is quite capable of saying "No comment" or "I'm looking forward to camp and earning my spot". Of course they want to talk to him.

He either has no understanding of how people would receive his comments or he did. If he didn't, he needs a PR guy to teach him what to say to the media.

When you are dealing with something as touchy as honoring your ELC if you end up in the AHL, you are better off not commenting unless you response is "I will honor my contract, no matter where I am playing".

All I am getting out of this is "I want to play in the NHL, as long as the road to get there isn't hard or long." Now having said that, I think it's fair to say that he seems to be willing to play whatever role they give him. Initially. I also think he's quite willing to work as hard or harder then anyone on the team. And I still believe the NHL is where he wants to be.

I'll say it again, I think he's cocky and confident to the point of a feeling of entitlement. He seems to have the skill to back it up. But as some of might have learned with Zherdev, there is more to staying in the NHL then just having skill.


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Perhaps not quite that black and white, but the whole: I will then consider the KHL as an option if I am not playing for the jackets is not ideal (and I am not surprised that it is coming from this kid). The fact is that he is under contract with the jackets and he seems to have a bit of 'I am doing you team a favor by staying in N. America so you better play me,' is bothersome.
I didn't read that at all. All I read were quotes from a kid who's goal is to play on the second line of an NHL team in a month and a half. He's put in the offseason work and he's ready to prove himself. He's confident, if not cocky, in his abilities but what 19 year old isn't? His quotes didn't lead me to believe he'd jump to the KHL as soon as he sat out a third period in a close game, or even if he was sat in a lot of third periods in close games. I think the kid has more character than that. I'd bet he'd use that as motivation just like Brassard and Voracek did last year.

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In all fairness to him, however, guys like Kane, Towes Stamkos all came straight out of jr. and played a full season so he feels he should be able to so I can understand why he is itching to get in
This is where the other young guys, specifically Voracek, can help and start to show a little leadership. Filatov is in Voracek's position now; the 19 year old trying to make the team when it looks like he should be back in juniors or in Syracuse. He's not gonna get 18+ minutes a night to start the season, everyone knows that. Neither did Voracek, Brassard, Russell, etc. The other youngsters can explain the process to Filatov and help him understand that if you play the game the right way, Hitch will trust you more. When Hitch trusts you, your ice time will increase. They can give him some reassurance after games where he only played 9 minutes that if he sticks with it, he'll get the ice time. Plus, it's not like he'll be on an island. The coaches will work with him to improve his game as will the vets.

I can easily see a similar situation to Voracek last year. Starts off with minimal ice time but it increases as his play improves.

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but just play and stop talking about the KHL as an option--not when you are under contract.
He was asked a question about the KHL and answered it honestly. He didn't bring it up, the interviewer did. I don't think you can chastise this kid for answering a question in an interview. Did he chose his words poorly? Probably. Does it mean anything at this point? Probably not. Are we all dying for training camp to start so we don't have to over analyze translated interviews on Puck Daddy to see if our potential Calder candidate is going to jump ship to the KHL? Yes.

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I don't think you can chastise this kid for answering a question in an interview.
I don't know about Hash, but... Oh I can. And I will. And I have no issues with it.

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I don't know about Hash, but... Oh I can. And I will. And I have no issues with it.
Good for you. You did finish reading that entire answer in the interview when he spoke about going to the KHL, right? I just want to make sure you didn't miss the part about how he wants to play for Columbus, everyone treats him nicely, he doesn't want to lie to anyone here. That should hold just as much weight in any evaluation you have about him and his character.

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Hey! What did I do? Plus, I don't even know what this means!
I just think you are more of a bulldog than I am, meaning more likely to engage in "fights" (for lack of a better word) and hold on and defend your views than I am.

Otherwise, for better or for worse (since I've only met a couple of you in person), you each get a "tone of voice" based on how I think you are reacting. For instance, in my head Jacketfan's posts are always dripping with sarcasm (perhaps even when he doesn't mean them to be) and Robert always seems to be grumpy.

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Good for you. You did finish reading that entire answer in the interview when he spoke about going to the KHL, right? I just want to make sure you didn't miss the part about how he wants to play for Columbus, everyone treats him nicely, he doesn't want to lie to anyone here. That should hold just as much weight in any evaluation you have about him and his character.
And Adam Foote wants to finish what he started here...

Words are fine and kudos to Filatov for "saying the right things" for the most part, but actions ultimately will show us who this kid is -- not what he says.

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Good for you. You did finish reading that entire answer in the interview when he spoke about going to the KHL, right? I just want to make sure you didn't miss the part about how he wants to play for Columbus, everyone treats him nicely, he doesn't want to lie to anyone here. That should hold just as much weight in any evaluation you have about him and his character.
And did you read my response to another post about 3 above that one. Here in case you didn't see it.

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All I am getting out of this is "I want to play in the NHL, as long as the road to get there isn't hard or long." Now having said that, I think it's fair to say that he seems to be willing to play whatever role they give him. Initially. I also think he's quite willing to work as hard or harder then anyone on the team. And I still believe the NHL is where he wants to be.
Any questions?

And again, I have no problem "chastising" him. And I think deserves some critisim for his comment. I'll say it one last time, just shut your trap and play Nikki.

As I said before, this feels to me like Methot last year more then anything. And I think I said about the same thing in that case as well. I wasn't upset with Methot then, or Nikki now.

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I just think you are more of a bulldog than I am, meaning more likely to engage in "fights" (for lack of a better word) and hold on and defend your views than I am.

Otherwise, for better or for worse (since I've only met a couple of you in person), you each get a "tone of voice" based on how I think you are reacting. For instance, in my head Jacketfan's posts are always dripping with sarcasm (perhaps even when he doesn't mean them to be) and Robert always seems to be grumpy.
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And Adam Foote wants to finish what he started here...

Words are fine and kudos to Filatov for "saying the right things" for the most part, but actions ultimately will show us who this kid is -- not what he says.
You're right. His actions so far have shown dedication to playing in the NHL. Until his actions take him to the KHL, words shouldn't be taken out of context.

EDIT: One big difference between Foote and Filatov, though, is that Filatov is being honest about his feelings and possible intentions where as Foote lied and manipulated his situation.

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And did you read my response to another post about 3 above that one. Here in case you didn't see it.



Any questions?

And again, I have no problem "chastising" him. And I think deserves some critisim for his comment. I'll say it one last time, just shut your trap and play Nikki.

As I said before, this feels to me like Methot last year more then anything. And I think I said about the same thing in that case as well. I wasn't upset with Methot then, or Nikki now.
Yeah, I read that post. That's why I was surprised you even decided to respond. At any rate, his entire response should be evaluated as a whole. That was my point in my response.

And I don't think this is the same as Methot. Methot was disappointed and felt slighted by not having a chance before last season. Filatov has his chance now and he's expressing willingness to work hard and earn his spot.

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Come on DSL, I didn't say anything about the worldwide hockey media. Nikki is quite capable of saying "No comment" or "I'm looking forward to camp and earning my spot". Of course they want to talk to him.

He either has no understanding of how people would receive his comments or he did. If he didn't, he needs PR guy to teach him what to say to the media.
It's quite possible his PR mom is telling him what to say.

While I'd like to think he could get in here for camp and just do the work, if people keep asking him questions, stuff is going to come out. He was asked a question and answered it.

As Kallio said, what he meant (if anything) by it will be cleared up by his future actions.

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Yeah, I read that post. That's why I was surprised you even decided to respond. At any rate, his entire response should be evaluated as a whole. That was my point in my response.
Because you said you couldn't chastise him. You speak into the mic, you deal with the criticism. He's an adult now.

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Not completely accurate on the Methot front. On why he felt slighted, as well as the statement "not having a chance". I don't agree with those last three words "earn his spot".

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His quotes didn't lead me to believe he'd jump to the KHL as soon as he sat out a third period in a close game, or even if he was sat in a lot of third periods in close games. I think the kid has more character than that. I'd bet he'd use that as motivation just like Brassard and Voracek did last year.
Nor did I read that he would jump the KHL in those instances...more that he would look to the KHL if the org. felt like he needed to spend more time in the AHL.

Look, he was a good player in the AHL, but he wasn't totally dominating . Chances are the kid does need more time to round out his game it isn't a surprise nor is it a knock on him because of it, but when your 1st round pick is borderline threatening (now let's not get carried away folks, I know he was very kind in the way he said it) you aren't going to send him down as readily as if he was a Kris Russell from Caroline Alberta or a late rounder.


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I can easily see a similar situation to Voracek last year. Starts off with minimal ice time but it increases as his play improves.
As do I. I want nothing more than for him to be able to come to the jackets and be a contributing player. I don't mind if he makes mistakes and doesn't have the checking ability that we might need, but if he is at least trying, that's all good with me. The thing I don't like is that if the jackets feel handcuffed with some sort of looming KHL threat if they feel he needs to go down. That isn't fair and I don't care if he is russian, canadian, swedish or a mixture of all three.

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He was asked a question about the KHL and answered it honestly. He didn't bring it up, the interviewer did. I don't think you can chastise this kid for answering a question in an interview. Did he chose his words poorly? Probably. Does it mean anything at this point? Probably not. Are we all dying for training camp to start so we don't have to over analyze translated interviews on Puck Daddy to see if our potential Calder candidate is going to jump ship to the KHL? Yes.
I know he is going to get questions all the time about the KHL. The fact remains that he went through a lot to get here last year and he is obviously prepared to be here full time. That's great, but take your lumps, kid. If one really wants to be an NHL player then he will go the appropriate channels and do whatever it takes. He is under contract with the jackets and he should (or be told from here on in) that he needs to be a team player. Talking about potential KHL contracts doesn't follow that mold, imo. I doubt his teammates enjoy hearing him talk about potentially leaving if things don't go his way either.

I am much like blahblah and read these comments in the same light as Methot's last year.

Time will show us how committed to the NHL and the CBJ Filatov is.

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It's quite possible his PR mom is telling him what to say.
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While I'd like to think he could get in here for camp and just do the work, if people keep asking him questions, stuff is going to come out. He was asked a question and answered it.
At which point people are going to run with it. He is in control of how he responds. The media is going to love this kid if he continues responding the way he does. If he's willing to live with the consequences, then more power to him. But it won't stop me from calling him out when he's better off not commenting on a topic.

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EDIT: One big difference between Foote and Filatov, though, is that Filatov is being honest about his feelings and possible intentions where as Foote lied and manipulated his situation.
To his credit, he's backing it up thus far, but if the playing situation isn't what he expects, how does he react? What happens to his "honesty" then?

This is my point all along. We think he's being honest. We certainly hope he's being honest. He very well may be honest. But we haven't seen enough to know what he really thinks and how he acts.

Ideally, he comes in, is better than we dreamed and none of this is ever an issue. But a demotion or lack of playing time or contract offer that doesn't meet his demands and then you'll find out what his desires and priorities really are.

I hate to rain on the parade, but I have a short-fuse for people who think they know what an athlete wants and is thinking.
You'd think we'd be more cognisant of this after Zherdev and Foote.

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from Dmitry Chesnikov's twitter, the guy who translated the interview for Puck Daddy:

http://twitter.com/dchesnokov

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I don't understand the negativity surrounding Filatov. He wants to play in the NHL. He is training hard, bulking up. He asks Kovalchuk for advice. He knows what it will take him to break into the league. He understands his defensive responsibilities. And he is honest.

It seems to me that some people want interviews to contain: "We give 110%." "Just go out and play." "Take it one game at a time." etc...

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At which point people are going to run with it. He is in control of how he responds. The media is going to love this kid if he continues responding the way he does. If he's willing to live with the consequences, then more power to him. But it won't stop me from calling him out when he's better off not commenting on a topic.
I'm going to love him as well if he continues to be honest with his replies, and not simply respond to questions with cliche after cliche to appease people who can't handle such honesty. Come to think of it, that's probably one of the reasons why I like a lot of the Russian players; many don't seem to feel the need to censor themselves. Rather odd how North Americans almost seem to require such censorship from their celebrities.

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For instance, in my head Jacketfan's posts are always dripping with sarcasm (perhaps even when he doesn't mean them to be) and Robert always seems to be grumpy.
Well, you've got those two pegged!


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from Dmitry Chesnikov's twitter, the guy who translated the interview for Puck Daddy:

http://twitter.com/dchesnokov
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It seems to me that some people want interviews to contain: "We give 110%." "Just go out and play." "Take it one game at a time." etc...
That's a very good point. I can see where there is a camp that would be just as put off by keeping his comments so steralized like the about that they'd then go out yelling "If you're not going to say anything of substance don't say anything at all." Too funny/sad that no matter what this kid says his words are going to be scrutinized to the nth degree.

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Well, you've got those two pegged!
Oh Pete, you’re the grammar and spelling police for crying out loud. There's a boatload of pegs to go around for everyone.


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