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08-30-2009, 10:49 AM
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Michigan drafts Martin Straka.

He is another Wolverine pick who is great in the playoffs. He scored 70 points in 106 NHL playoff matches, five times scoring 10 or more points for Pittsburgh and New York.



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08-30-2009, 10:50 AM
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Michigan drafts Glen Murray.

2001-02 NHL 41 Goals (2)
2002-03 NHL 44 Goals (5)



"Had the size and skill to score in the Dead Puck Era"

1009 games. 337 goals. 651 points.
2003 NHL All-Star Game
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08-30-2009, 11:43 AM
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Toledo selects D Risto Siltanen

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At five foot nine and only 158 pounds, Risto Siltanen was a stand-up defenceman who was very strong and hard to move. As a result, he was often referred to by his teammates as "The Littlest Hulk."

Siltanen began playing hockey in his native Finland in 1976 on his hometown team before representing his country at the World Junior Championships for the next two years. He was selected by the St. Louis Blues in the 1978 Amateur Draft but went on to sign with the Edmonton Oilers of the WHA, where he began playing in North America in the 1978-79 season.

As the Oilers were set to join the NHL, Siltanen was reclaimed by the Blues before the Expansion Draft of '79, only to be traded back to the Oilers, where he played for the next three seasons. The 1981-82 season was Siltanen's most productive in the NHL as he scored 63 points in as many games. He also represented Finland in the Canada Cup.


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LW Jim Riley
C Vladimir Ruzicka

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08-30-2009, 11:51 AM
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Toledo selects D Risto Siltanen
The feisty little Finn was still available? eagle and I had him shortlisted as a third pairing option in the MLD, and then I forgot about him when we went in another direction.

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08-30-2009, 11:52 AM
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LW Jim Riley
I was just going to take them. Nice pick, probably the best LW available (LW seems to be the shallowest position)

Toledo selects LW Ray Whitney


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Upon his arrival in Columbus, Whitney became an offensive leader on the club and finished 12th in the league in assists in 2002-03 with 52 before signing as a free-agent with the Detroit Red Wings in the summer of 2003.

After seeing his point totals drop off in 2003-04, Whitney was acquired by the Carolina Hurricanes in the summer of 2005, following the 2004-05 NHL lockout season. Whitney's offensive numbers increased during the NHL regular season in 2005-06 with the Hurricanes tallying 55 points. However his largest contribution came in the 2006 playoffs, as he scored 9 goals en route to earning his first Stanley Cup.


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08-30-2009, 12:26 PM
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C Vladimir Ruzicka

"had endless ways to complete a play and had an excellent sense for passing"

"enjoyed outsmarting his opponents"

- 2 x Golden Hockey Stick Award as the best hockey player in Czechoslovakian hockey league (1986, 1988)
- 4 x Czech league points leader (1984, 1986, 1989, 1996)
- 5 x Czech league goals leader (1984, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989)
- Olympic gold as a captain (1998)
- 107 goals in 186 national team games

Combined scoring from 1983 WCH, 1984 Olympics, 1985 WCH, 1986 WCH, 1987 WCH, 1988 Olympics and 1989 WCH

PlayerGP G A P PPG GPGAPG
Sergei Makarov 65 37 52 89 1,370,570,80
Vladimir Ruzicka 65 33 34 67 1,030,510,52
Vyacheslav Bykov 57 28 26 54 0,950,490,46
Andrei Khomutov 62 14 24 38 0,610,230,39

Ruzicka was a purely offensive player who

"Skated badly, slowly, but had hands of gold"
"was never not a complete hockey player, moving generally away from the red line towards the opponent's goal"
"was like a fish in water in the offensive zone"

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Ruzicka will perform as my first line center. The scoring wizard should be one of the most (if not the most) talented offensive players in the draft.

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08-30-2009, 12:29 PM
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Has anyone drafted Ruzicka before?

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08-30-2009, 12:33 PM
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Has anyone drafted Ruzicka before?
seventieslord did, in the last round of the first-ever AAA Draft (ATD8-AAA)

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08-30-2009, 01:55 PM
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Time to inject some sandpaper into the lineup:

LW/RW Jaroslav Jirik - the winger version of Josef Golonka!

D Lou Fontinato - Who may have been tougher than anyone he played against... except, of course, Gordie Howe.




Rzeznik, you only have Jirik due to a technical difficulty in Regina. I had my alarm set for 7AM (my time) to just get up and post the above, but it never went off.

My other pick will be coming shortly.

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08-30-2009, 02:41 PM
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Time to inject some sandpaper into the lineup:

LW/RW Jaroslav Jirik - the winger version of Josef Golonka!

D Lou Fontinato - Who may have been tougher than anyone he played against... except, of course, Gordie Howe.




Rzeznik, you only have Jirik due to a technical difficulty in Regina. I had my alarm set for 7AM (my time) to just get up and post the above, but it never went off.

My other pick will be coming shortly.
Damn, Fontinato would've been my first pick tomorrow. Same with Jim Riley who was taken earlier. Both great picks.

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08-30-2009, 04:21 PM
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OK, plan B for a first line LW - Nick Mickoski.

While he doesn't provide the fire that Jirik does, he did have a big frame that was difficult to move off the puck, and was known as a good two-way worker. He was in the top-15 in goals four times and was a reliable and consistent performer for over 700 games from 1948-1960.

I wanted a bigger body and some two-way skill to go with Smith and Gagne and Mickoski provides that. Only one other available player has been a top-15 goalscorer four times so I am not sacrificing offensive potential to fill this first line need.

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08-30-2009, 04:26 PM
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I received no comments for Ruzicka. I think he should be an MLD pick. Here's why.

Combined scoring from 1983 WCH, 1984 Olympics, 1985 WCH, 1986 WCH, 1987 WCH, 1988 Olympics and 1989 WCH

PlayerGP G A P PPG GPGAPG
Sergei Makarov 65 37 52 89 1,370,570,80
Vladimir Ruzicka 65 33 34 67 1,030,510,52
Vyacheslav Bykov 57 28 26 54 0,950,490,46
Andrei Khomutov 62 14 24 38 0,610,230,39

I tried to pick players who should be easy comparables to Ruzicka. Makarov of course is just there to show that Ruzicka wasn't the best player in Europe during the 80's. But he was definitely one of the best. He had very similar stats to Slava Bykov, the 2nd line center of the powerhouse Soviet Union teams in the 80's. And not only similar, Ruzicka actually had slightly better numbers. Andrei Khomutov, a very well respected right wing of Slava Bykov's line, was far behind.

And Ruzicka isn't even a dwarf who can be thrown around in the rink. He is a big guy. 6' 2'', 216 lbs. Probably no other player in the draft possesses a big frame like that combined with the individual skill level Ruzicka had. In my opinion, there's no way Ruzicka should slip this far.

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08-30-2009, 04:28 PM
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OK, plan B for a first line LW - Nick Mickoski.
Damn! I really wanted him for my 2nd line.

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Halifax selects pivot Alexei Guryshev. The question mark regarding level of competition is the only thing keeping him down in an all-time context.

seventieslord really sold me on him last draft. Here I re-present his research.
Nice to see!

He moves up about 60 spots from last time (a result of being selected as a scoring line player as opposed to 4th line) and probably deserves even more.

I was reading The Red Machine at the time of last AAA draft, and the book mentioned his name a few times. I got curious, went digging, and really liked what I found.

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With their 5th and 6th picks in the 11th AAA draft, the Cumberland County Cool Blues are pleased to select first, a player with numerous top-15 finishes in both goals and assists, from Toronto, Ontario, center...


Art Jackson
He was second on my list for centers. Among the very best offensive credentials in the draft (although wartime) and has credibility as a checker. I saw him as a good defensive conscience to a 2nd line.

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Curious where you see him fitting in a bottom-6 role? There isn't a ton on him but he seems offensive more than defensive. So just curious if you've read different.
Kyle McMahon described him as fiery last time, and his PIM totals seem to substantiate that. I was looking at his career at the SIHR site and he was never a big scorer. The Winnipeg Senior league was, at best, the 3rd/4th best league at the time, and he never led that league; there were always between 2 and 8 guys ahead of him. He had 38 points in 37 WSrHL games. Bain, by comparison, put up 73 in 27 and led the league multiple times. So I don't see him as a scoring threat at the AAA level, but I would value his fire and big-game experience.

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I was just going to take them. Nice pick, probably the best LW available (LW seems to be the shallowest position)

Toledo selects LW Ray Whitney
Yeah, just about. He's one of those modern, active forwards who I would never get the chance to take because someone else will always take them about 100-200 picks before I would. (see Steve Sullivan) - but, he was getting very close to the top of my list. He's been top-10 in goals and assists once each (separate seasons) and top-20 in each one more time. And And LW is a shallow position. 8 60-point seasons, 5 of them in the dead puck era. Six seasons with 70+ adjusted points. Tom Lysiak, by comparison, has two.

Aside from Riley (who was taken before) and Mickoski (who I just took), I only see a LW/RW and a C/LW who I'd have taken before Whitney.

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I received no comments for Ruzicka. I think he should be an MLD pick. Here's why.

Combined scoring from 1983 WCH, 1984 Olympics, 1985 WCH, 1986 WCH, 1987 WCH, 1988 Olympics and 1989 WCH

PlayerGP G A P PPG GPGAPG
Sergei Makarov 65 37 52 89 1,370,570,80
Vladimir Ruzicka 65 33 34 67 1,030,510,52
Vyacheslav Bykov 57 28 26 54 0,950,490,46
Andrei Khomutov 62 14 24 38 0,610,230,39

I tried to pick players who should be easy comparables to Ruzicka. Makarov of course is just there to show that Ruzicka wasn't the best player in Europe during the 80's. But he was definitely one of the best. He had very similar stats to Slava Bykov, the 2nd line center of the powerhouse Soviet Union teams in the 80's. And not only similar, Ruzicka actually had slightly better numbers. Andrei Khomutov, a very well respected right wing of Slava Bykov's line, was far behind.

And Ruzicka isn't even a dwarf who can be thrown around in the rink. He is a big guy. 6' 2'', 216 lbs. Probably no other player in the draft possesses a big frame like that combined with the individual skill level Ruzicka had. In my opinion, there's no way Ruzicka should slip this far.
As mentioned, I took him back in AAA8. I didn't really get any praise for the pick, and it was my first round of drafting, and I wasn't anywhere near the level of research that I am at now (getting my ass handed to me in the ATD, MLD, and AAA is a big reason I now have my famous book collection)

I never even really considered him when we got deep into AAA10 and AA10 because I thought I must have been way off about him in the first place. He wasn't on my radar this time either. But I'm glad someone took him to give him some recognition. The company surrounding him in that table is quite impressive.

He was big, but rather soft, wasn't he?

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Kyle McMahon described him as fiery last time, and his PIM totals seem to substantiate that. I was looking at his career at the SIHR site and he was never a big scorer. The Winnipeg Senior league was, at best, the 3rd/4th best league at the time, and he never led that league; there were always between 2 and 8 guys ahead of him. He had 38 points in 37 WSrHL games. Bain, by comparison, put up 73 in 27 and led the league multiple times. So I don't see him as a scoring threat at the AAA level, but I would value his fire and big-game experience.
That's dissapointing to me then cause I drafted him for a completely different role. I'm not as knowledgeable on the other leagues back then so I really didn't know much about the guy. Just saw some good comments from last time and selected him.

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Maine could not join the league this season, so we will proceed with the seven teams we already have.

Dawson City Nuggets to join AAA11 playoffs

Since we have a 7-team draft, we will - for playoff purposes - all together construct an 8th team immediately at the end of the draft, a sort of elite Double-A team made up of the best of the undrafted, as far as we all together see it. The team will come out of the blue to make a cup challenge and hence will be called the Dawson City Nuggets, after the historical team that did just that. The Nuggets will challenge the last team remaining during the Challenge Format process (no team may challenge the Nuggets). Here is how we all together will construct that team: Each of us individually decides on whom the next best undrafted 10 players are and send them to Dawson City training camp (by PMing the list to me on the last day of the draft). Ensure that your list of 10 camp invitees includes at least one forward, one dman, one goalie, one coach. Once all invitations have been sent (in to me via PM) then I will post a composite list of each and every man who is invited to camp, and anyone who receives more than one invitation is automatically on the team. We will then have a day or so to openly agree on whom at camp will make the team. Each GM is limited to submitting ten invitations to camp (so make them your best 10) in order to keep the process fair and equal. It's not my team (though I could submit a long list if asked to) and it isn't your team, it's our combined team of leftovers from our shortlists, a joint product, with the 7 of us acting like members of a scouting team, a drafting table and a managerial boardroom.

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Maine could not join the league this season, so we will proceed with the seven teams we already have.

Dawson City Nuggets to join AAA11 playoffs

Since we have a 7-team draft, we will - for playoff purposes - all together construct an 8th team immediately at the end of the draft, a sort of elite Double-A team made up of the best of the undrafted, as far as we all together see it. The team will come out of the blue to make a cup challenge and hence will be called the Dawson City Nuggets, after the historical team that did just that. The Nuggets will challenge the last team remaining during the Challenge Format process (no team may challenge the Nuggets). Here is how we all together will construct that team: Each of us individually decides on whom the next best undrafted 10 players are and send them to Dawson City training camp (by PMing the list to me on the last day of the draft). Ensure that your list of 10 camp invitees includes at least one forward, one dman, one goalie, one coach. Once all invitations have been sent (in to me via PM) then I will post a composite list of each and every man who is invited to camp, and anyone who receives more than one invitation is automatically on the team. We will then have a day or so to openly agree on whom at camp will make the team. Each GM is limited to submitting ten invitations to camp (so make them your best 10) in order to keep the process fair and equal. It's not my team (though I could submit a long list if asked to) and it isn't your team, it's our combined team of leftovers from our shortlists, a joint product, with the 7 of us acting like members of a scouting team, a drafting table and a managerial boardroom.
Thanks to the bolded points, this is an excellent idea and will work well. I look forward to this!

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... this is an excellent idea and will work well....
If EVERYONE participates, it will go wonderfully.

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One thing I'm worried about for the Nuggets is that if everyone is sending a list of just 10 guys, is it going to be made up of strictly offensive players? Would there be a way around creating an "all-star" team, per se, and lean more towards creating an actual team like the rest of us? Because a team made up of all the "best" players would easily lose to a team made up of players best suited to their roles.

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If EVERYONE participates, it will go wonderfully.
I don't forsee anyone not participating. We all have shortlists and ultimately we will have guys that we hummed and hawed about but never selected, and no one else took them either. Everyone should be able to easily provide 10 names.

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One thing I'm worried about for the Nuggets is that if everyone is sending a list of just 10 guys, is it going to be made up of strictly offensive players? Would there be a way around creating an "all-star" team, per se, and lean more towards creating an actual team like the rest of us? Because a team made up of all the "best" players would easily lose to a team made up of players best suited to their roles.
Don't you turn into Kyle McMahon! The best picks may very well be role players!!! We are not looking at 'the most offensively talented' but instead the ten guys who could and should play ON A TEAM at a higher level of competition, whether an offensive line or a defensive line guy, a powerplay specialist, stay at home defenseman, enforcer, penalty killer, whatever! My list of 10 will probably not have many first line players and, in fact, I worried that the opposite of the problem you mention might happen, a team of role players. But heck, we'll see what we get and go with that.

So let this be a clarification: the next-best ten picks you send in should reflect your judgement of guys who should have made a AAA or MLD team (made the team! which means have a role on that team, whether 1st line or 3rd line or back line or whatever).

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One thing I'm worried about for the Nuggets is that if everyone is sending a list of just 10 guys, is it going to be made up of strictly offensive players? Would there be a way around creating an "all-star" team, per se, and lean more towards creating an actual team like the rest of us? Because a team made up of all the "best" players would easily lose to a team made up of players best suited to their roles.
Although as I'm not a AAA GM this time around, that makes sense. It might be better to do something akin to the all-star team voting this year; top-5 top-6 centres remaining, top-5 top-6 wingers remaining, top-5 bottom 6 centres remaining, etc..

Just my two cents

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