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08-31-2009, 11:01 PM
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2009-10 Boston Bruins Salary Cap Thread

I have begun to feel bad for FutureConsiderations and how many times he has had to explain how the Bruins have barely any cap left so I have decided that maybe this will help.

The Bruins cap looks like this right now (9/1/2009)
ForwardsCap Hit
Marc Savard$5,000,000
Patrice Bergeron$4,750,000
Michael Ryder$4,000,000
David Krejci$3,750,000
Marco Sturm$3,500,000
Blake Wheeler$2,825,000
Chuck Kobasew$2,333,333
Mark Recchi$1,700,000
Milan Lucic$850,000
Steve Begin$850,000
Vladimir Sobotka$750,000
Byron Bitz$687,500
Shawn Thornton$516,667
Total$31,512,500

DefensemenCap Hit
Zdeno Chara$7,500,000
Dennis Wideman$3,875,000
Derek Morris$3,300,000
Matt Hunwick$1,450,000
Andrew Ference$1,400,000
Mark Stuart$1,300,000
Johnny Boychuk$500,000
Total$19,325,000

GoaliesCap Hit
Tim Thomas$5,000,000
Tuukka Rask$3,200,000
Total$8,200,000

BuyoutsBuyout Hit
Glen Murray$1,383,333
Peter Schaefer$566,667
Patrick Eaves$258,333
Total$2,208,333

Forwards Total$31,512,500
Defensemen Total$19,325,000
Goalies Total$8,200,000
Buyouts Total$2,208,333
Salary Cap Total$61,245,833

I'll let FutureConsiderations give you a little tutorial on how the bonus cushion works:
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The bonus cushion does NOT take 100% of the bonuses on the team.

The bonus cushion is limited to a maximum of 7.5% of the cap (which is, if you hadn't seen, 56.8M).

56.8 *(times) .075 = 4.26M


Okay, so we've established that 4.26M is the MAXIMUM that can be put on the bonus cushion.

Next step: add up the Bruins bonuses. Rask (2.35) + Wheeler (1.95M) [uh-oh... ] + Recchi (700k) + Lucic (265k) + Sobotka (200k)
= 5.465M -4.26M(the bonus cushion)

= 1.2M (of the bonuses) that will count against the cap.
Note to FC. I hope you don't mind that I trimmed this post down to only the useful stuff, if you do tell me and I will change it.

So since I included the Bonuses above we don't really need to worry about the second part, we just need to subtract the bonus cushion.

Salary Cap Total$61,245,833
Bonus Cushion$4,260,000
Total$56,985,833
Cap Space-$185,833

We are infact over the cap if we want to start the season with this lineup (includes Sobotka and Boychuk). Hope this clears things up.

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Bonuses only count against the cap if they are awarded. Since most of them are performance based, they likely won't all be awarded, so it's foolish to include them at this point.

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Foolish? Um no. Its smart cap management.

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Bonuses only count against the cap if they are awarded. Since most of them are performance based, they likely won't all be awarded, so it's foolish to include them at this point.
AGAIN: With Sobotka & Boychuk, we are over the cap while using ALL of the bonus cushion. So I don't get what your point is. The bonus cushion is taken into account with those numbers.

Plus, the bonuses for Recchi & Lucic are easily attainable, and Wheeler will probably get around $400,000 in them. That's about $1.3 million in fairly easily attained bonuses.

So if I'm Chia, I look at it as we're about $1.5 million over the cap without Kessel. It's a pretty grim situation.

I'm personally hoping he signs Kessel, puts him on LTIR, spends a month evaluating the team, and then the next month burning up the phone lines for a trade in which we don't get *****. It's a tough task.


Edit: I apologize, since there is about $1.3 million in bonuses that count no matter what because they go over the maximum bonus cushion, I guess we are only about $185,000 over the cap. But Chia will probably want some breathing room too, so I still think 2 good-excellent forwards are on their way out. The question is who, and what will be the return.
Realistically, I think 2 of Kobasew, Kessel & Ryder are gone.


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Recchi's $700k in bonuses count against the cap whether they are reached or not.

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Where is Sabourine. is he on the Baby B's?

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Bonuses only count against the cap if they are awarded. Since most of them are performance based, they likely won't all be awarded, so it's foolish to include them at this point.
I don't think that's true, pretty sure they all count against the cap however your upper limit increases if you choose to max out your bonus cushion. So that money will count against the cap, however Boston can exceed the cap by 4.26 million.

So 1.2 million will go against the cap as LL mentioned. 4.26million is deferred.

That said, I'm pretty sure Boston doesn't have to choose which bonuses are deferred right now. They can wait till the end of the season and what ever 4.26 million in bonuses were missed (hopefully 4.26 mill in bonuses are missed), they can defer.

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Thanks, LL. After last night I was thinking of doing the same thing.

Sabourin - probably starting in Providence.

Bonuses - Count until they are mathematically unattainable. For example, if Recchi has a bonus that he'll play in 82 games and can't play in Game 1, the amount of that bonus comes off his cap hit. However, if he has a bonus that he'll score 500 goals this year, it doesn't matter if he has 2 as of Game 81, the bonus still counts since it's still possible.

Right now, the B's have 5.3M (give or take) in bonuses, which makes approximately 1.1-1.2M in bonuses counting on the cap.

Now, the bonus cushion is not like the LTIR exemption. If they're using it at the end of the season, the amount they're using on the bonus cushion counts towards next year's cap hit. So they have to clear as much cap space by the end of the year as the bonuses they expect to be met.

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Thanks, LL. After last night I was thinking of doing the same thing.

Sabourin - probably starting in Providence.

Bonuses - Count until they are mathematically unattainable. For example, if Recchi has a bonus that he'll play in 82 games and can't play in Game 1, the amount of that bonus comes off his cap hit. However, if he has a bonus that he'll score 500 goals this year, it doesn't matter if he has 2 as of Game 81, the bonus still counts since it's still possible.

Right now, the B's have 5.3M (give or take) in bonuses, which makes approximately 1.1-1.2M in bonuses counting on the cap.

Now, the bonus cushion is not like the LTIR exemption. If they're using it at the end of the season, the amount they're using on the bonus cushion counts towards next year's cap hit. So they have to clear as much cap space by the end of the year as the bonuses they expect to be met.
so what you're saying is they better win the freakin cup this year, cuz its all blown to hell next summer

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so what you're saying is they better win the freakin cup this year, cuz its all blown to hell next summer
Possibly, but the more pressing issue is that up to 60 goals might be walking out the door before this season because of this cap mess.

I'm dreading Chia making a move like Wilson in San Jose made last week.

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so what you're saying is they better win the freakin cup this year, cuz its all blown to hell next summer
Yes and no. It's definitely dangerous, but it's not necessarily etched in stone that they'll be in trouble.

If Wheeler or Rask don't make all of their bonuses (I remember there being a rumor that Kessel had a bonus for winning the Selke, so they're not all realistic) it will only leave the B's with a million or so to clear. Could happen at the deadline (Savard), but if it doesn't it's important to remember that Murray's buyout comes off the cap after this season. Chia can handle 1.3M -1.4M being tacked on the cap without too much of a problem. Still, they've got Stuart, Rask, Lucic, and Wheeler as RFAs next offseason so they're going to need all the help they can get.

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so what exactly happens if the Bruins are over the Salary Cap? will they not be allowed to play their games? Is there a Tax like in the MLB?

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so what exactly happens if the Bruins are over the Salary Cap? will they not be allowed to play their games? Is there a Tax like in the MLB?
you forfeit each game until you are under i believe. no tax.

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you forfeit each game until you are under i believe. no tax.
Or it counts against next years cap, whichever makes more sense.

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