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09-02-2009, 09:57 AM
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09-02-2009, 10:03 AM
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Phillips < Phillips 2007
Volchenkov > Volchenkov 2007
Kuba > Redden
Lee = Meszaros 2007
Campoli > Corvo 2007
Karlsson/Picard = Preissing




First of all, Redden was terrible after 05-06. Second of all, implying Chara was on SCF team =
Are you saying that you are going to SCF with that D? Get real...

What does Volchenkov > Volchenkov in 2007 mean? You get double Volchenkov or something? Actually Volchenkov is becoming injury prone d-men now days.

Campoli better then Corvo is also very debatable.

Pressing had career year scored about 40pts that year, no way Karlsson/Picard are better

Lee = Meszaros are you on drugs? wtf is wrong with you?

Chara was in Boston and I think Redden was a better player back then.

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09-02-2009, 10:09 AM
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What does Volchenkov > Volchenkov in 2007 mean? You get double Volchenkov or something? Actually Volchenkov is becoming injury prone d-men now days.
I'm not exactly an expert on the Sens, but my guess would be that the claim being made is that Volchenkov has improved as a player since then. That happens sometimes, y'know.

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First of all, Redden was terrible after 05-06. Second of all, implying Chara was on SCF team =
the question mark after chara's name was.......... a question mark due tooooooooo............ the fact that i was asking a question

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09-02-2009, 10:17 AM
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Its virtually the same as the D core that took us to the SCF.
without Redden, Meszaros etc...

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Are you saying that you are going to SCF with that D? Get real...

What does Volchenkov > Volchenkov in 2007 mean? You get double Volchenkov or something? Actually Volchenkov is becoming injury prone d-men now days.

Campoli better then Corvo is also very debatable.

Pressing had career year scored about 40pts that year, no way Karlsson/Picard are better

Lee = Meszaros are you on drugs? wtf is wrong with you?

Chara was in Boston and I think Redden was a better player back then.
Believe me man, I watch the sens all the time, even as a Flyers fan and Corvo, Preissing, and Redden we're really bad players that year. They were fine offensively because of how good the forwards were, but id you watched that team it was all Phillips and Volchenkov. Corvo improved in Carolina, Pressing plummeted when given a top 4 position on the kings, and Redden still sucks.

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09-02-2009, 10:21 AM
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I'm not exactly an expert on the Sens, but my guess would be that the claim being made is that Volchenkov has improved as a player since then. That happens sometimes, y'know.
The only way Volchenkov is going to get better if he is start scoring. It's not happening.

He has reached his potential. He is hard nosed/hitting/shots blocking d-men who is becoming injury prone since the time Sens went to SCF.

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Believe me man, I watch the sens all the time, even as a Flyers fan and Corvo, Preissing, and Redden we're really bad players that year. They were fine offensively because of how good the forwards were, but id you watched that team it was all Phillips and Volchenkov. Corvo improved in Carolina, Pressing plummeted when given a top 4 position on the kings, and Redden still sucks.
I said debatable, did I not?

Back then Redden was a better d-men then Kuba now. Redden could actually play D in 2006.

Lee is not on the same level as Meszaros. Hell no.

Karlsson/Picard borderline NHL d-men.


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09-02-2009, 10:27 AM
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The only way Volchenkov is going to get better if he is start scoring. It's not happening.

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So you can't get better defensively ? oh , ok.

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09-02-2009, 10:28 AM
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09-02-2009, 10:29 AM
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So you can't get better defensively ? oh , ok.
He was already top 5-10 shot blocking and hitting d-men. So.. wtf.. I did not say he stinks.

Give me an example of better... If he was already top 5-10.

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09-02-2009, 10:33 AM
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Back then Redden was a better d-men then Kuba now. Redden could actually play D in 2006.
No, he couldn't. Really not sure why people are saying otherwise, when EVERY Sens fan can tell you that's when he started to decline.

And my god, Kuba is criminally underrated.

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09-02-2009, 10:34 AM
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Serisoly, I don't think their D is "fine" is it good enough to make the playoffs? Maybe, Just maybe. But thats on'y because of the star power you guys have up front.

You guys should target Dennis Seidenberg
I agree..to a degree. This might provide an opportunity for Erik Karlsson to make the team - and he's potentially better than any UFA out there.

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Shot blocking and hitting doesn't mean he's an elite defensive d-man . Back then he was very good ,now he's an elite defensive d-man. His positioning has improved as well as his skating. I remember Mcdonald making him look like crap on one play in the SCF and I guarantee that wouldn't happen today.

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No, he couldn't. Really not sure why people are saying otherwise, when EVERY Sens fan can tell you that's when he started to decline.

And my god, Kuba is criminally underrated.
Kuba's fantastic. So technically sound, positional, great passer. I've grown to love him on our blueline. When Karlsson and Cowen make it full time in 10/11, Kuba will be the stabilizing force with Volchekov for sure.

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09-02-2009, 10:37 AM
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Back then Redden was a better d-men then Kuba now. Redden could actually play D in 2006.

Lee is not on the same level as Meszaros. Hell no.

Karlsson/Picard borderline NHL d-men.
Redden was a disaster that season. Didn't turn his game around until February and everybody was sheltered behind Phillips/Volchenkov to some extent (though most playoff teams we faced had 2 even offensive lines).
Meszaros didn't turn his game around until Game 1 of the postseason.
Corvo and Preissing were terrible until January, when they became reliable bottom pairing D-men.

The team made the Cup Finals because everybody was committed to team defense, not because our defense was great.

Redden/Meszaros vs. Kuba/Lee? ... I'd probably still take the first pair if their salaries weren't so disproportionate. But defensively, I take Kuba/Lee (as a pair and each individually compared to Redden/Meszaros).

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When Toronto was looking to move Smith,the rangers made the exact same offer edmonton made to Toronto but Mike Smith and Pat Quinn made the deal with slats because Quinn detested Neil Smith.

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For all the Ottawa fans, Campoli does NOT equal Corvo. Corvo can play defense, Campoli can't. I'd love for Campoli to prove me wrong though, but the comparisons from him to Corvo are not accurate.

Anyways about Jason Smith, he was a great player and a great guy with a great career. He was a lot of fun to watch when he was on the Flyers.

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Are you saying that you are going to SCF with that D? Get real...

What does Volchenkov > Volchenkov in 2007 mean? You get double Volchenkov or something? Actually Volchenkov is becoming injury prone d-men now days.

Campoli better then Corvo is also very debatable.

Pressing had career year scored about 40pts that year, no way Karlsson/Picard are better

Lee = Meszaros are you on drugs? wtf is wrong with you?

Chara was in Boston and I think Redden was a better player back then.
Preissing, Corvo, and Meszaros were usually useless defensively. Redden was dreadful. Come back when you know things please. Your Volchenkov comment is also laughable.

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For all the Ottawa fans, Campoli does NOT equal Corvo. Corvo can play defense, Campoli can't. I'd love for Campoli to prove me wrong though, but the comparisons from him to Corvo are not accurate.

Anyways about Jason Smith, he was a great player and a great guy with a great career. He was a lot of fun to watch when he was on the Flyers.
Corvo when he was with ottawa could barly skate backwards

there is a reason why he was a bottom pairing defensemen for us, his offense was good but his defense was terrible

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The only way Volchenkov is going to get better if he is start scoring. It's not happening.

He has reached his potential. He is hard nosed/hitting/shots blocking d-men who is becoming injury prone since the time Sens went to SCF.

I said debatable, did I not?

Back then Redden was a better d-men then Kuba now. Redden could actually play D in 2006.


Lee is not on the same level as Meszaros. Hell no.

Karlsson/Picard borderline NHL d-men.
No Redden sucked that year. That was the first year he started to suck. Kuba is way better, and cheaper

Lee is not better than Meszaros I agree

Corvo on Ottawa was a puckhog and a turnover machine who played no defense

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ONe of the better team players out there. The guy would block as many shots as possible, stick up for teammates. Ultimate team player.

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Corvo when he was with ottawa could barly skate backwards

there is a reason why he was a bottom pairing defensemen for us, his offense was good but his defense was terrible
Wow then he really upped his game in Carolina.

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