What if the pre-NHL era guys got together? Wouldn't they be the ultimate wild card team?
The Early Era Aces
Alf Smith, coach
Jimmy Gardner - Harry Smith - Cecil Blachford
Haviland Routh - Moose Watson - Billy Gilmour
Smokey Harris - Clarence McKerrow -Jack Findlay
Dickie Boon - Moose Goheen
Clem Loughlin - Jack Campbell
George McNamara - Howard McNamara
Hamby Shore - Fred Lake
Which of the following would take the remaining five (5) spots on the team, and why:
Bruce Ridpath, Skene Ronan, Fred Whitcroft, Billy McGimsie, Frank Rankin, Alf Skinner, Fred Scanlan, Walter Smaill, Oliver Seibert, Jack Ruttan, Phat Wilson, Dolly Smith
Dang, good question. I should have answered this earlier. This is my specialty.
So basically we need three more forwards and a spare forward. Although your 7th and 8th defensemen can also play forward....
I'm going to say Alf Skinner first. He's a 4-time PCHA 2nd all-star team member with a retro Smythe. He was a scrappy clutch scorer. Good 4th-line guy.
I'm going to say no to Ruttan and Wilson, as they're defensemen. Rankin and Seibert are a bit too iffy due to being amateurs, and I don't think Ridpath and Swift are quite as good as the others.
That leaves Ronan, Whitcroft, McGimsie, Scanlan, Smaill. My gut tells me that although Whitcroft and McGimsie are in the Hall, their personal and team accomplishments don't match those of the other three. Put Ronan at center, Scanlan at LW, and make Smaill the versatile spare.
What do you think?
Originally Posted by VanIslander
What if the present day NHLers tried to ice an all-time great team? ... eh... anyways, and for try-outs they scrimmaged as the past-glory veterans (Sun Setters) versus those with more (or more likely have more) to prove (Sun Risers):
coach Lindy Ruff
ass. coach Marc Crawford
Ryan Smyth - Saku Koivu - Todd Bertuzzi
Steve Sullivan - Craig Conroy - Jamie Langenbrunner
Jay Pandolfo - Rob Niedermayer - Darcy Tucker
Brian Rolston - Pavol Demitra - Darren McCarty
Pavel Kubina - Dan Boyle
Darryl Sydor - Jason Smith
Bryan McCabe - Bret Hedican
coach Randy Carlyle
ass. coach Peter Laviolette
Rick Nash - Brad Richards - Marion Gaborik
Simon Gagne - Ryan Getzlaf - Johan Franzen
Alex Tanguay - Marc Savard - Mike Richards
Patrick Marleau - Scott Gomez - Sami Pahlsson
Dion Phaneuf - Brian Campbell
Jay Bouwmeester - Ed Jovanovski
At least two more are needed for the Sun Risers blueline and the four remaining candidates are: Mattias Ohlund, Andrei Markov, Chris Phillips, Wade Redden. Which ones have more to prove and are likely to increase their all-time stock?
I think Redden, at this point, is what he is. He could hang on, Dave Ellett-style, or possibly Glen Wesley- style, as a decent #2-3 defenseman but he won't do anything special to boost his legacy except longevity. Of course, at his best he was much better than Ellett or Wesley ever were. Ohlund, in Tampa Bay, can't be too much of a factor and then there are always injuries with him. Phillips could easily play another decade and be a major part of Ottawa's inevitable turnaround. markov is in one of the best markets in the world, is popular, fairly young, and has no major weaknesses as a player. He'd be my other pick.
Last edited by seventieslord: 08-26-2009 at 01:38 AM.
I'm going to open up voting now, and hope that most people have submitted their votes by early tomorrow morning. It looks like everyone has said what they wanted to say in their series threads, and of course the opportunity is still there to say more.
Votes for Regina/Amherst go to VanIslander; votes for North Pole/Helsinki go to me.
Should I be voting for my own series? That was never made clear..
No, please don't vote on your own series. The "free 1st place vote for voting" idea has worked well and encourages votes but I wouldn't introduce it in the playoffs except perhaps in the ATD, where we have 28-32 teams.
1) active teams almost always vote, so their freebies would wash out,
2) in the event that one team votes and another doesn't, the person getting the freebie vote would have a pretty big impact on their own series when only 8-10 others are voting. In the ATD, where 20-25 others are voting, then perhaps the benefit of incenting GMs to vote is worth the potential impact they'll have on their series.
3) The real problem is getting eliminated GMs to vote.
Lynn Patrick - Billy Taylor - Yevgeny Babich
Smokey Harris - Billy McGimsie - Alf Skinner
Baldy Cotton - Mike Ricci - Mush March
Bob Gracie - Andy Blair - Bill Fairbairn
Mike Krushelnyski, Wally Hergesheimer
Billy Coutu - Dave Babych
Gord Fraser - Bob Rouse
Al Arbour - Bryan McCabe