i have a question i've thought of. Could Burke do this?
Boston says they're gonna match any offer Toronto makes. But when the season starts, they can't. Since you cannot go over the hard cap. So, the Leafs wait til October (since Kessels out til December anyways) and makes a RFA bid then? Boston is tied up, can't trade quickly/drop valuable players to waiver, and the Leafs get Kessel at a price above the cap of Boston
Is this possible?
Oh yeah, I am sure that Chiarelli will make some sort of move before training camp ends so the Bruins don't end up in that situation.
How is Toronto going to offer Kessel $5 mill + per year which it will take to sign him and not have their own cap nightmares?? wont they then be over it too?? Chirelli has ZERO urgency since kessel is out till December anyway.. He is calling burkes bluff.. burke needs outgoing salary to fit kessel into the cap not an outgoing 1,2,3..
Toronto would be drastically improving a position on the team, and therefore can afford to dump a 3-4 million dollar player to fit him in. Any of Finger, MVR, or Stempniak can be dumped by any means necessary. The other option is to send Bozak to the Marlies to start the season. He currently represents $3.75 million of the Leafs salary cap.
According to capgeek, the Leafs have $2.1 million. Kessel will miss at least 6 weeks, allowing them to wait to dump his salary. If Bozak is in the minors, they have $5.8 million. Additionally, they have 8 defenceman listed in that number, so depending on who is moved out, they have that too. As an example, if Bozak is sent to the minors and MVR is off the roster (you choose how) and Kessel gets $5.5 million, the Leafs still have $3.3 million to play with.
i have a question i've thought of. Could Burke do this?
Boston says they're gonna match any offer Toronto makes. But when the season starts, they can't. Since you cannot go over the hard cap. So, the Leafs wait til October (since Kessels out til December anyways) and makes a RFA bid then? Boston is tied up, can't trade quickly/drop valuable players to waiver, and the Leafs get Kessel at a price above the cap of Boston
Is this possible?
No it simply puts more pressure on Boston.
Once and offer sheet is made a team has 7 days to accept or decline .. That 7 days gives a team plenty of time to make the appropriate roster moves to accept the contract amount and keep Kessel..
Dumping a player on waivers to free up space takes only minutes to compete the paper work and inform the NHL.
Bruins could also make trades of other players (but not Kessel) during that week although be under the gun a little to get fair value in return depending on who that player is .
Kessel is also currently recovering from injury so Bruins could also place him on long-term IR until he returns and buy themselves more weeks to get in line with the Cap ceiling.
i have a question i've thought of. Could Burke do this?
Boston says they're gonna match any offer Toronto makes. But when the season starts, they can't. Since you cannot go over the hard cap. So, the Leafs wait til October (since Kessels out til December anyways) and makes a RFA bid then? Boston is tied up, can't trade quickly/drop valuable players to waiver, and the Leafs get Kessel at a price above the cap of Boston
Is this possible?
Boston has 7 days to match, giving them 7 days to find a way to get the salary in. With Kessel being injured, I'd imagine it gives them another month or two after that to figure it out.
I just don't see Toronto having the assets Boston wants for this deal.
As another poster mentioned, the ship has sailed on the Kaberle deal, I believe this too because Boston's D is all shored up...
I do not believe Toronto has the assets to send Boston's way other than Schenn. Yes, I realise I said Boston's D is shored up, but Schenn is a special commodity, he is young, he is solid, and under a rookie contract for the next 2 years which would help Boston's cap situation...
Curious what Leafs think of Schenn for Kessel straight up... I do not think they do it but if there was a trade I see him being the only roster player\prospect boston would want...
Tlusty\Grabo\Kulemin just do not seem like the style of players Boston would want or fit into their system, sure they are valuable and good assets, but not what Boston would want...
Which leaves us with draft picks... Kessel >>>> 1st, 2nd, 3rd... I say this because the chances of getting a player of Kessel's cailber out of those picks is VERY slim... so I think if a trade WAS made it would have to include two 1st rounders... yes, it seems like a lot... but you need to give a lot in order to get a lot back...
Unless of course an offer sheet is tendered... which Chia has permission to match anything sent Boston's way... Now if Toronto sent a ridicolous offer of 6 mill per year, I highly doubt Boston matches... than again, if Toronot sends a 5 mill per year offer, I would think Boston would match because the compensation in return is not that great, added to Kessel going to a division rival...
If Toronto wants to aquire Kessel VIA offer sheet... they would need guess the amount that is enough Kessel signs a contract (which WILL be 5 mill+ because that is what he is reportedly asking)... and an amount that is too large for Boston to match... I think 5.5 over 3 years would fill this void and be the perfect deal for TO... this number because compensation will ONLY be still 1st, 2nd and 3rd... sure, its over payment, but Toronto will get their man... add to that, if it IS a 3 year deal, they will still have 1 year left of RFA once the original offer sheet is over... than again, no garuntees, Boston may still match...
THough if I was BB and Kessel was whom I longed for... I offer Kessel 5.5 for 3 years...
Well, actually, if I was BB, I would wait till next year... let guys develop this year, maybe hopefully get a top 10 pick in the draft, sure it would suck for Leafs for 1 more year, but I do not see a playoffs with this current Leafs team and what good is finishing 9th?... So I let team tank do its thing again this year and than send 2 offer sheets, 1 to toews and 1 to kane and force Chicago to pick one... but thats a whole other story
I'm not even sure Ian White would draw a whole lot of interest from the Bruins. The D appears to be pretty much set at this point. Adding Ian White would require a follow up move or two to clear out a top-6 defenseman (which would likely be Andrew Ference). Is the upgrade worth it?
Ideally, I think the Bruins would like to add blue chip D prospect to their system. The other two teams speculated to be in trade talks with the Bruins regarding Kessel are Nashville and New York. Both teams have a deeper pool of D prospects to choose from.
I also wouldn't rule out Kaberle being involved. Chiarelli did say he had contingency plans in place in the event he comes to terms with Kessel or is forced to match an offer sheet. So it's probably safe to assume he has other ways of clearing money if need be. A top-4 of Chara-Kaberle-Wideman-Morris would be tops in the league IMO.
If Boston matches the offer sheet, Kessel won't be able to be traded for a year.
Does the players salry come off when he is put on waivers, or after he has been claimed or sent down?
Claimed or unclaimed, sent down or not, all of that doesn't matter as to the outcome.
As soon as the 24 hour waiver wire time period ends his salary comes off the books.
Boston could toss say Michael Ryder on waivers making $4 mil, and after 24 hours waiver wire time passes his $4 mil could be used and applied to match Kessel offer sheet.. Then Boston places Kessel on long-term IR until he returns and if Ryder goes unclaimed (which is likely as not many teams are going to be in a position to pick up a 2 year $4 mil contract due to their own Cap room issues), then Boston simply re-inserts him into the line-up as the sub/recall for the injured Kessel and while Kessel is out, Ryder's contract does not count against the teams Cap as CBA allows you to replace injured players without Cap consequences at a lower salary.
Not until Kessel is ready to return do Bruins have a issue when they want to play both Kessel and Ryder at the same time.
i have a question i've thought of. Could Burke do this?
Boston says they're gonna match any offer Toronto makes. But when the season starts, they can't. Since you cannot go over the hard cap. So, the Leafs wait til October (since Kessels out til December anyways) and makes a RFA bid then? Boston is tied up, can't trade quickly/drop valuable players to waiver, and the Leafs get Kessel at a price above the cap of Boston
Is this possible?
This has been brought up multiple times as a possible plan of Burke's. There's no way to fully ensure though that Boston can't match, as they have 7 days to move players around to make room.
What's the deal with this talk about "top 10" or "top 15" protection? How does it work and what is it?
Also, I think it's more likely we see burke make a trade than an offer sheet. Then again what do I know.
your not getting Kessel and having top 10 or top 15 protection
not even top 5... Kessel is a very good player and was picked a 5...
you might get a top 3 protection
It's basically, If the leafs finish in the bottom 10 that pick stays with the Leafs and Boston would get Toronto'ss first pick in the following year. If they are 11th last, then Boston picks at that spot
Toronto would be drastically improving a position on the team, and therefore can afford to dump a 3-4 million dollar player to fit him in. Any of Finger, MVR, or Stempniak can be dumped by any means necessary. The other option is to send Bozak to the Marlies to start the season. He currently represents $3.75 million of the Leafs salary cap.
According to capgeek, the Leafs have $2.1 million. Kessel will miss at least 6 weeks, allowing them to wait to dump his salary. If Bozak is in the minors, they have $5.8 million. Additionally, they have 8 defenceman listed in that number, so depending on who is moved out, they have that too. As an example, if Bozak is sent to the minors and MVR is off the roster (you choose how) and Kessel gets $5.5 million, the Leafs still have $3.3 million to play with.
So by the same reason, boston would have about 2 months to dump salary after matching... I am pretty sure if a player is on the LTIR the team can exceed the cap by the players salary while the player is out. Even though they were tight to the cap last year boston was still looking to add a player because sturm was on the LTIR and they were allowed to exceed the cap by is salary if they wanted to.
I just don't see Toronto having the assets Boston wants for this deal.
The biggest asset the Leafs have is cap space, and Boston doesn't have any choice with that.
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As another poster mentioned, the ship has sailed on the Kaberle deal, I believe this too because Boston's D is all shored up...
Derek Morris was good offensively 10 years ago. Kaberle is a huge upgrade over Morris.
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I do not believe Toronto has the assets to send Boston's way other than Schenn. Yes, I realise I said Boston's D is shored up, but Schenn is a special commodity, he is young, he is solid, and under a rookie contract for the next 2 years which would help Boston's cap situation...
Curious what Leafs think of Schenn for Kessel straight up... I do not think they do it but if there was a trade I see him being the only roster player\prospect boston would want...
This move would not surprise me, but I'm very hopeful it would not happen.
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Tlusty\Grabo\Kulemin just do not seem like the style of players Boston would want or fit into their system, sure they are valuable and good assets, but not what Boston would want...
Tlusty and Kulemin have the salary that Boston would want, and waiver eligability which gives them flexibility.
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Which leaves us with draft picks... Kessel >>>> 1st, 2nd, 3rd... I say this because the chances of getting a player of Kessel's cailber out of those picks is VERY slim... so I think if a trade WAS made it would have to include two 1st rounders... yes, it seems like a lot... but you need to give a lot in order to get a lot back...
The salary cap may be the determining factor. Of course there is no loss to Burke if the deal is matched. He just sits back and waits to see what else is available to him.
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THough if I was BB and Kessel was whom I longed for... I offer Kessel 5.5 for 3 years...
Seems about the right money, but I'd bet it will be 5 years.
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Well, actually, if I was BB, I would wait till next year... let guys develop this year, maybe hopefully get a top 10 pick in the draft, sure it would suck for Leafs for 1 more year, but I do not see a playoffs with this current Leafs team and what good is finishing 9th?... So I let team tank do its thing again this year and than send 2 offer sheets, 1 to toews and 1 to kane and force Chicago to pick one... but thats a whole other story
It is too late for Burke to tank. If he was willing to go that route, Kaberle would be gone, and Komi and Beauch would not be here.
Claimed or unclaimed, sent down or not, all of that doesn't matter as to the outcome.
As soon as the 24 hour waiver wire time period ends his salary comes off the books.
Interesting. Didn't Battaglia go on waivers last year and continue to play? Either way, it is not the "minutes" thast it takes to fill out the paper work, but mostly irrelevant.
So by the same reason, boston would have about 2 months to dump salary after matching... I am pretty sure if a player is on the LTIR the team can exceed the cap by the players salary while the player is out. Even though they were tight to the cap last year boston was still looking to add a player because sturm was on the LTIR and they were allowed to exceed the cap by is salary if they wanted to.
That is absolutely true, but as mentioned, there are long term implications for Boston, that Toronto does not have to deal with, to the same degree.
Interesting. Didn't Battaglia go on waivers last year and continue to play? Either way, it is not the "minutes" thast it takes to fill out the paper work, but mostly irrelevant.
Sorry if the "minutes to fill out the paper work" caused any confusion here.. It does take only a simple phone call to NHL head offices notifying the league that the Bruins are matching the Kessel offer sheet and to make room under the CAP by placing player XXXX on waivers to accommodate Kessel's offer sheet salary and contract.
Since any offer sheet has a 7 day period of time attached, that allows plenty of opportunity during that week for Bruins to address their Cap issue to allow for the league to approve Bruins matching and keeping Kessel.
Since a player placed on waivers can't be pulled off them until the time period ends and all other 29 teams have a shot at him, the moment he is really placed on waivers for all intents and purposes is the time the Cap space is now available for Kessel. Even if they had to wait the full waiver period there would still be plenty of time.
The whole point of my post was that I was going to be disappointed because I always am when it comes to the Leafs, but thanks for treating it like some juvenile trade thread.
If Boston matches the offer sheet, Kessel won't be able to be traded for a year.
I fully understand that. It's the follow up moves involving other players that I'm talking about. If Chiarelli does match, it's likely another RW such as Ryder or Kobasew + that gets shipped out as a result.
Does anyone here see the Allison tryout as a pre-cursor to a deal for Kessel. Just seems to me that those two would play well together. Burke seems to make his decisions based on future moves, so the questionable JA tryout may give us a time frame for a Kessel deal. If Burke's move is along my line of thinking he may want Kessel here during training camp in order to see what he and Allison could do together. Make sense, or just an overactive bored summer imagination?
Does anyone here see the Allison tryout as a pre-cursor to a deal for Kessel. Just seems to me that those two would play well together. Burke seems to make his decisions based on future moves, so the questionable JA tryout may give us a time frame for a Kessel deal. If Burke's move is along my line of thinking he may want Kessel here during training camp in order to see what he and Allison could do together. Make sense, or just an overactive bored summer imagination?
