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09-13-2009, 09:38 AM
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People are being real dickish about this.

So, Dubinsky who hasn't proved anything in the NHL is still in good graces even though he refuses to take whatever managment is offering.

But Zherdev, who. Put up 60 points and 25+ goals is garbage because he wants a job and came to realize he was asking for too much?

You don't think its embarassing for him to do that? He learned the hard way.

But Dubinsky is innocent and evil managment won't give in to a player that has yet to reach any milestone in production.

Take Zherdev back. Our offensive depth would be very good.

What this summer has proven is that stubborness solves nothing.
Good point... maybe it's because Dubinsky's an American...?

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People are being real dickish about this.

So, Dubinsky who hasn't proved anything in the NHL is still in good graces even though he refuses to take whatever managment is offering.

But Zherdev, who. Put up 60 points and 25+ goals is garbage because he wants a job and came to realize he was asking for too much?

You don't think its embarassing for him to do that? He learned the hard way.

But Dubinsky is innocent and evil managment won't give in to a player that has yet to reach any milestone in production.

Take Zherdev back. Our offensive depth would be very good.

What this summer has proven is that stubborness solves nothing.
Zherdev blew it by filing for arbitration. The Rangers signed Kotalik and Zherdev's days in NY were over. The Rangers can't afford to pay him $3.25 million anymore. The Rangers contemplated not even giving him a QO. He is lucky the Rangers gave him one and rejected it.

Dubinsky is in the good graces? You can't be serious? Dubinsky has taken a beating for not accepting Sather's offer. Look around the net on some Rangers blogs calling Dubinsky a "schmuck","loser" and "stupid".

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09-13-2009, 10:00 AM
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Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Ales Kotalik ($3.000m)
Ryan Callahan ($2.300m) / Chris Higgins ($2.250m) / Sean Avery ($1.938m)
* Nikolai Zherdev ($1.750m) / * Brandon Dubinsky ($1.500m) / Donald Brashear ($1.400m)
Vaclav Prospal ($1.150m) / Artem Anisimov ($0.822m) / Enver Lisin ($0.790m)
Brian Boyle ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Wade Redden ($6.500m) / Michal Rozsival ($5.000m)
Matt Gilroy ($1.750m) / Daniel Girardi ($1.550m)
Ilkka Heikkinen ($0.875m) / Marc Staal ($0.827m)
Corey Potter ($0.550m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Steve Valiquette ($0.725m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $56.626m; CAP ROOM: $0.174m BONUSES: $0.000m

Say what you want about Zherdev but if we could field some combination of this roster every night, there would be no denying that we have a good team with serious depth up front.

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Zherdev > every Ranger forward besides Gaborik.

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Zherdev > every Ranger forward besides Gaborik.
50% of the time.

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What is with all this glee in his having to eat crow? I've never seen such nasty schadenfreude. Last time I checked, they didn't hand out the Stanley Cup for the team that did a best job of "sticking it" to players in August...

Look, he (or rather Hedges) misplayed his hand badly. He should have fired his agent the moment that the Rangers walked away from his arbitration award. But that's not the point. As a fan (and especially if you're putting yourself in mgmt's shoes), you should be looking at one thing: making the team better.

If we can't fit him under our cap (which I can buy) or we no longer need him on the roster (which I can't - I mean, really? He's worse than 12 other forwards on our team?), then you let him walk. If you can get Z for cheap and he fits on the team, then great.

But all this "nyah, nyah" nonsense is just that - nonsense.

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What is with all this glee in his having to eat crow? I've never seen such nasty schadenfreude. Last time I checked, they didn't hand out the Stanley Cup for the team that did a best job of "sticking it" to players in August...

Look, he (or rather Hedges) misplayed his hand badly. He should have fired his agent the moment that the Rangers walked away from his arbitration award. But that's not the point. As a fan (and especially if you're putting yourself in mgmt's shoes), you should be looking at one thing: making the team better.

If we can't fit him under our cap (entirely possible) or we no longer need him on the roster (really - he's worse than 12 other forwards on our team?), then you let him walk. If you can get Z for cheap and he fits on the team, then great.

But all this "nyah, nyah" nonsense is just that - nonsense.
While I agree that there tends to be a sense of people only being happen when someone else isn't of late, Zherdev brought this upon himself.

He (or his agent) vastly overpriced him and overestimated other team's interest in him. Now that he's come back hat in hand, if I'm Sather I take that QO off the table.

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What is with all this glee in his having to eat crow? I've never seen such nasty schadenfreude. Last time I checked, they didn't hand out the Stanley Cup for the team that did a best job of "sticking it" to players in August...

Look, he (or rather Hedges) misplayed his hand badly. He should have fired his agent the moment that the Rangers walked away from his arbitration award. But that's not the point. As a fan (and especially if you're putting yourself in mgmt's shoes), you should be looking at one thing: making the team better.

If we can't fit him under our cap (entirely possible) or we no longer need him on the roster (really - he's worse than 12 other forwards on our team?), then you let him walk. If you can get Z for cheap and he fits on the team, then great.

But all this "nyah, nyah" nonsense is just that - nonsense.
Great post, completely agree with your sentiment. If we're fielding a more competitive team at the end of the day then what's the issue? The way this board reacts to things sometimes is baffling. It makes me think some people need something to make themselves feel better about their own lives.

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If we can sign Zherdev for 2M, I'd do it. Only problem is that we have no room for him.

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I would have done it. The more secondary scoring the better.

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50% of the time.
50% of Zherdev is good for 55-60 points. 100% of Kotalik is good for 40-45.

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50% of Zherdev is good for 55-60 points. 100% of Kotalik is good for 40-45.
At least Kotalik scored a ****ing point in the postseason.

Zherdev could have been the difference in that series and he **** the bed. I don't care how talented he is, the way he played during that last stretch and in the playoffs just left a bad taste in my mouth.

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If we can sign Zherdev for 1.75 mil, we'd still have room for a spare forward and defensemen (as another poster showed). The concern would be that Staal and Giardi's need new contracts next year.

If we signed Zherdev, at least my jersey would have a point

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50% of Zherdev is good for 55-60 points. 100% of Kotalik is good for 40-45.
50% is Zherdev's 100%.

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-exasperated sigh

Wouldn;t it have just been easier to take the initial offer Z? This must mean that no NHL team is offering even that 3.25 mil. He is desperate. I'd expect to see a KHL departure soon.

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Zherdev could have been the difference in that series and he **** the bed. I don't care how talented he is, the way he played during that last stretch and in the playoffs just left a bad taste in my mouth.
I can replace any skater's name with Zherdev's in that first sentence and the statement would still be true. You can't do the same for the following: The New York Ranger's don't make the playoffs without Zherdev.

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I hope Kotalik has a good year because his contract is killing us right now...

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50% of Zherdev is good for 55-60 points. 100% of Kotalik is good for 40-45.
I'll take the effort.

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I hope Kotalik has a good year because his contract is killing us right now...
before he even plays a game? you guys are unbelievable

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It is? Based on....

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Zherdev is very talented and seems like a good kid really, but he just got some bad advice. The only way the Rangers can afford this is to ship off a newly aquired forward or one of the pricier defenseman and that isn't happening. Despite what people think about Redden and Roszival we have no one who can even remotely replace them and their role on the team.

It's a shame because I'd like to see Zherdev come back, he would make the Rangers a much more dangerous team. (Edit for SBOB: 50% of the time)

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I really wish we'd take him back.

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He made a terrible business mistake. If he would have approached Sather with some humility and said Ill sign for 1.75 this year he would probably be a Ranger.

But you know I just don't see Nik working out with Tortorella anyways bad fit.

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Have fun in the KHL, Z.

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