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09-18-2009, 08:27 PM
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i doubt burke gave a **** about future firsts because he will most likely be at a different team once those 1sts would be making a huge impact...

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09-18-2009, 08:36 PM
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Holy **** Kessel just got rich. Thank god the Rangers didn't trade for him

Those two firsts could easily be top 10 picks

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Gave too much for him via the trade & then gave him too much as far as a contract goes.

$27M over 5 yrs --- crazy!

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09-18-2009, 08:39 PM
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Gave too much for him via the trade & then gave him too much as far as a contract goes.

$27M over 5 yrs --- crazy!
$5.4 million cap hit. I don't think it's that bad, as they bought out a year or 2 of UFA years for him, I think at least. I'm probably wrong though lol.

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09-18-2009, 08:54 PM
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$5.4 million cap hit. I don't think it's that bad, as they bought out a year or 2 of UFA years for him, I think at least. I'm probably wrong though lol.
Not bad? It's a huge risk. The guy has had one good season. Boy is it nice to be Kessel right now. The guy is 21 and just made 30 million bucks

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09-18-2009, 09:10 PM
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Quite a steep price to pay, but Burke's trying to build a winner. Who else do the Leafs have offensively that scares you? There's not a whole lot there, so by adding a guy like Kessel, he immediately becomes the go-to guy.

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09-18-2009, 09:22 PM
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Kessel is another one dimensional, soft forward. He'll be a perfect Leaf. With a few injuries, Boston will be drafting in the top 8.

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09-18-2009, 09:31 PM
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Kessel is a young rising star.

I can understand why Toronto did that.

The trade breaks down like this

Kessel = Toronto's 1st in 2010

So really the value is a 2011 pick and a a 2nd in 2010. That isn't alot to give up for a 21 yr old coming off of a 36 goal season.

You have to look at it from Maple Leafs perspective. When was the last time you recall the Leafs having a player this gifted at such a young age? Maybe Sundin after trade with Quebec.

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09-18-2009, 09:47 PM
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thats a really steep price, both dollar wise and the picks...

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09-18-2009, 09:51 PM
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Burke giving up a lot in what would be the future of the team. Steep, steep price with those draft picks.

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09-18-2009, 09:51 PM
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Kessel is a young rising star.

I can understand why Toronto did that.

The trade breaks down like this

Kessel = Toronto's 1st in 2010

So really the value is a 2011 pick and a a 2nd in 2010. That isn't alot to give up for a 21 yr old coming off of a 36 goal season.

You have to look at it from Maple Leafs perspective. When was the last time you recall the Leafs having a player this gifted at such a young age? Maybe Sundin after trade with Quebec.
How could you say thats not giving up a lot?????? Toronto hasnt really shown any signs of improvement. Sure they revamped their defense but the guys on that blueline do not in any way make them a contender. They handed out the big money to Komisarek but he is not a guy who will be a deciding factor for them. Komi makes them somewhat stronger on defense but thats just with toughness because there are flaws in his game.

So in essence, toronoto will most likely not being doing much at all this year which gives Boston a hight 1st round pick for the 2010 draft. Now after this season you could try and argue that toronto can just go out and sign a forward in free agency to complement kessel and take some of the load off of him. But here's the problem, Burke, like sather, is not managing the cap wisely and he is using a lot of his space up. I just dont see how he's gona be able to pull this off. A premiere free agent forward isnt gona want to go to a struggling team unless the money is there and theres a good chance it might not be. On top of that, walking into the toronto media is like walking into the lion's den. I mean there just isnt much there to entice a free agent forward.

Now obviously where I'm getting at is that toronto will most likely struggle for the next 2 years. They dont have a deep farm system with any forward talent thatll blow someone away. And now they just handed over two 1st round picks to their division rival. This one will bite Burke in the ass BIG TIME

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09-18-2009, 10:25 PM
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lets put it this way...who were the Leafs last 2 first round picks...Kadri and Schenn? would you trade Kadri, Schenn, and whoever they got with one of their 2nd rounders for Kessel?

Thats an awful lot to give up...especially with the strength of next years draft.

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09-18-2009, 10:31 PM
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Steep price, but Toronto needs a player.

Im sure Burke will get that 2nd rounder back somehow... but still a ton of money in Kessels pocket now too.

Im just glad those picks didnt land in the division... But Boston got a pretty good return for a player they pretty much COULDNT sign anyway, they must be really happy in getting those picks. Those are huge assets having 4 first rounders in the next 2 years whether they are used or traded.

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09-18-2009, 10:34 PM
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Steep price, but Toronto needs a player.

Im sure Burke will get that 2nd rounder back somehow... but still a ton of money in Kessels pocket now too.

Im just glad those picks didnt land in the division... But Boston got a pretty good return for a player they pretty much COULDNT sign anyway, they must be really happy in getting those picks. Those are huge assets having 4 first rounders in the next 2 years whether they are used or traded.
not sure what the odds are though that any of those 4 end up being as good as Kessel....

regardless though, its a kings randsom for a great young player.

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Great job by Chiarelli to get that kind of return while being handcuffed by the cap.

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09-19-2009, 12:19 AM
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Burke took a huge chance on a guy who has had one great season, he is also putting the teams future on the shoulders of aguy who may not be suited for the role. Kessel is a very quiet guy, he isn't a good interview & he has been thurst into the unforgiving Toronto Media spot light.

Great deal for Boston who already have a solid team but are up against the cap & will lose a couple of free agents next off season, they just set them selves up pretty well as far as cultaving new Talent or fliping picks for other players that can make an immediate impact, short or long term.

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09-19-2009, 04:12 AM
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Boston wins. Im SO glad we didnt even touch this.

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09-19-2009, 05:32 AM
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Earlier in the day, a source familiar with Boston’s wish list confirmed that the Bruins at one time hoped to swing a three-way deal for Brandon Dubinsky, the Ranger pivot who remains a restricted free agent. However, the Leafs didn’t have the assets to entice the Rangers to deal Dubinsky to Toronto
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/...kessel/?page=2

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Completely disingenuous comment, RB. Burke is looking to acquire a player he otherwise didn't control. Not at all comparable. If the Rangers trade Dubi to someone who desperately wants him, you can draw the parallel to that team... And Toronto. In such a case, the Rangers would be comparable to BOSTON. As it stands, with no deal in the works, they're not comparable to either.
One week ago,Dubinsky,Stafford and Kessel were group II free agents with no arbitration rights.Stafford signed a two year deal worth $3.8 million and Kessel signed a five year deal worth $27 million.Boston would have paid Kessel more than his QO in a 1 year deal.The Bruins wanted to give Kessel $3.5-$4 million in a multi-year deal.Dubinsky is still unsigned.Sather doesn't want to trade Dubinsky.In that comment Sather made about the group II deadline of DECEMBER 1,why would he make that comment?Sather has no plans to trade Dubinsky.He rejected overtures to getting involved with a three way deal involving Kessel.Sather has indicated to teams he would match an offer sheet.

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09-19-2009, 06:42 AM
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Then again, as NYR fans who are we to tell someone else that they overpaid for someone

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Quite a steep price to pay, but Burke's trying to build a winner. Who else do the Leafs have offensively that scares you? There's not a whole lot there, so by adding a guy like Kessel, he immediately becomes the go-to guy.
Would you like Kessel to be your teams go to guy?

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09-19-2009, 09:14 AM
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Chia did a great job for the simple fact that Kessel would of only cost a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd w/ an offer sheet.

Burke didn't want to risk signing him to the offersheet to only have the Bruins match (and if the Bruins matched, Kessel could not be traded).

Burke had to give up the extra 1st round pick for the 100% security to get PK.

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One week ago,Dubinsky,Stafford and Kessel were group II free agents with no arbitration rights.Stafford signed a two year deal worth $3.8 million and Kessel signed a five year deal worth $27 million.Boston would have paid Kessel more than his QO in a 1 year deal.The Bruins wanted to give Kessel $3.5-$4 million in a multi-year deal.Dubinsky is still unsigned.Sather doesn't want to trade Dubinsky.In that comment Sather made about the group II deadline of DECEMBER 1,why would he make that comment?Sather has no plans to trade Dubinsky.He rejected overtures to getting involved with a three way deal involving Kessel.Sather has indicated to teams he would match an offer sheet.
He kind of has to make the comment about Dec. 1. It's all about his leverage and that's a big part of it.

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Chia did a great job for the simple fact that Kessel would of only cost a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd w/ an offer sheet.

Burke didn't want to risk signing him to the offersheet to only have the Bruins match (and if the Bruins matched, Kessel could not be traded).

Burke had to give up the extra 1st round pick for the 100% security to get PK.
Still i wouldn't have done it if I were Burke, For one I really doubt they would have matched this, and if they did they'd be in cap hell. Who else could they have traded to clear the cap space? Savard? He would've been an even bigger loss than Kessel.
Sounds like a win/win for Burke anyway that would've played out.

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I dont get it, we r going to give up another Ranger who we should be sticking with and letting develop into a one of our leaders. I understand he has struggled and he may never be a number 1 center, but does that mean we give up on him. Lets sign him please, he plays hard and sets a real precedent that we need. We have lost many ranger blue coller guys lets not lose another.

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