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What is the max offer for Kessel Chiarelli will match?

View Poll Results: What is the maximum cap hit Chiarelli will match (assume 5 year contract)
3.5 12 8.96%
3.75 12 8.96%
4.0 19 14.18%
4.25 19 14.18%
4.5 36 26.87%
4.75 19 14.18%
5.0 11 8.21%
5.25+ 6 4.48%
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09-06-2009, 12:24 PM
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Anything under 4.5M he matches, if it falls into the 1st, 2nd, 3rd compensation he's gone.

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09-06-2009, 12:25 PM
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I want to say $4.25 but I voted $4.5 because of the extra pick.

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09-06-2009, 12:27 PM
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Ryan Ellis is an exceptionally gifted player. He would've been a sure fire top-5 pick if it weren't for his lack of size IMO. In todays game, that lack of size isn't as big of a concern as it was in the past. Assuming he can bulk that frame up a bit, he should be capable of playing at this level. I guess there is some risk involved there, but the upside is still huge with a player like him (though it wouldn't surprise me if Chiarelli wasn't a fan of his). Blum is another guy I'm sure the Bruins would target.
Everything that I've read on Ellis has been positive but to me he's going to be a PP specialist and that's about it.I'm probably wrong but that's my feeling. Blum I would take as well as Sultzer

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09-06-2009, 01:06 PM
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Toronto is very similar to Boston (although a little bigger) in many respects. I think Kessel will be fine.

Cabbage Ville? There is a neighbourhood in Toronto called Cabbage Town but Toronto is known as:

Hogtown
The Big Smoke
The T Dot
T.O.
TO

I've never heard it called Cabbage Ville.
If Kessel likes Beantown I'm sure he'll like Hogtown.
Sorry my bad. I call it 1:00AM Shutdown. I am not suggesting that will be Kessel's problem but the media and fans. If I could cheer for a Leaf it could be Phil.

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09-06-2009, 01:11 PM
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i think at this point, it's a matter of getting 3 guys who might end up being as offensively talented as kessel, but who are cost controlled and hopefully not looking for his kind of money for at least 4-6 years.

also, when talking about other roster players compared to PK...please don't say lesser player...its so untrue it's ridiculous. less offensive player, sure...but overall it's not even close.
HAHAHAHA....those three guys have a better chance of not even scoring 36 NHL career goals between them, no?

I think it goes like 50% chance 1st round, 25% chance 2nd round and 10% chance 3rd round to even draft guys that play more then four full NHL seasons...

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09-06-2009, 01:17 PM
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Using the 450 game marker even...

2000 draft, 6 guys have played 450+ games round 1, 2 guys in round 2, 0 guys round 3.

Move it back to 1996 say, giving the prospects 12 years to acclimate themselves...

12 guys round 1, 4 guys round 2, 5 guys round 3.

You can't get crap shoot guys for a Kessel IMO....Picks don't cut it.

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09-06-2009, 01:50 PM
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You are. You're suggesting he is 40-50 goal guy.

He is, at 21 having scored 36....He is a LOCK for 40 and will probably hit 50. Most scouts have predicted it for years.



No, that is your assumption of what I suggested.... but I didn't, nor would I ever suggest whomever plays with Savard is a lock for 40-50 etc.





It isn't always about talent.

Really, The names Crosby and Malkin ring a bell ? How about Bossy or Madono, Hull ? Zetterberg or Datsyk ? Please list me all those Stanley Cup winners that dont have Talent guy. Cause I want to see how to win the CUP without it.



And Savard did fine after he left Atlanta too. Kovalchuk has been scoring for years..... time will tell regarding Kessel, but if I was a betting man, injuries will hamper his career and if he isn't scoring, he is a liability.

And if Savard does not have someone to pass to, He is a liability. What good is a PASSER who has no physical presence without a finisher ?



We will survive. The sun will rise tomorrow.

Survive...OH, I thought we were supposed to be playing to win a cup ?

[Savard will still be successful, we will still win games]

OH....Again...I am sorry. I thought the STANLEY CUP was the goal. If you just want us to win a few games I will take that into consideration when I read your posts.
Really? When Savvy was playing with Axe and Muzz, he was still able to get 90 points with those sharpshooters 2 yrs ago. So I can see how you think he will be liability.

On another note, call me naive, but I don't think Burke throws Kessel an offer sheet. He and Chia are very good friends and who knows if Burke wants to jeopardize their relationship considering what has already happened at the draft.

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09-06-2009, 02:30 PM
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Using the 450 game marker even...

2000 draft, 6 guys have played 450+ games round 1, 2 guys in round 2, 0 guys round 3.

Move it back to 1996 say, giving the prospects 12 years to acclimate themselves...

12 guys round 1, 4 guys round 2, 5 guys round 3.

You can't get crap shoot guys for a Kessel IMO....Picks don't cut it.
This is how I feel about it, if we aren't getting a guy that has solidified himself in the NHL already, I want a guy that is damn close and has done enough in his time prior to the NHL to convince me he can contribute they way we know Kessel can.

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09-06-2009, 02:41 PM
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I voted 4.0 million per. It's just enough to get to the next level draft picks and it's more than Krejci.
I like Phil but not at 4 mil. I would like them also to rethink their ties to Kobasew and Ference since their pay and injury histories aren't very encouraging. Load up with draft picks, and money and with the rest of the young strong team we have wait and pick your spot for the parade.

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09-06-2009, 02:43 PM
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Sorry my bad. I call it 1:00AM Shutdown. I am not suggesting that will be Kessel's problem but the media and fans. If I could cheer for a Leaf it could be Phil.
Last Call (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to) has been 2AM in Ontario for Over a Decade.

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Must say I have not been to Toronto in 15 years. The last time there we got mix up with Coxwell and Foxwell streets. I remember one thing and that they are not close to each other.

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HAHAHAHA....those three guys have a better chance of not even scoring 36 NHL career goals between them, no?

I think it goes like 50% chance 1st round, 25% chance 2nd round and 10% chance 3rd round to even draft guys that play more then four full NHL seasons...
come on man...i said MIGHT, not WILL...and the chances get better at finding another kessel with the more picks you have. that's my point.

you also left out the most important part of the sentence you bolded...cost controlled for 4-6 years...if they get lucky and get another kessel who doesn't demand 4.5 million in the 4-6 year period, the trade is a success...and maybe that's a chance they're willing to take.

let the cards fall, kessel isn't gone yet...every one of these posts is based on pure speculation.

don't let your disdain for my other posts on kessel cloud how you view every single one of my posts...because so far it seems like that's what you're doing.

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09-06-2009, 04:51 PM
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The most telling aspect of the poll so far is that very few (12%) think Chiarelli will match at 5 million. If I had to guess, I would say the offer will come in that range.

On the bright side, I looked at the Maple Leaf roster for the upcoming year and they are AWFUL!. If we do stick with the picks, the first rounder could be top 3.

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09-06-2009, 09:03 PM
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also, when talking about other roster players compared to PK...please don't say lesser player...its so untrue it's ridiculous. less offensive player, sure...but overall it's not even close.
Gotta disagree here. In the case of both Ryder and Sturm I would have to say Kessel is already the better player. Sure, defensively he might not be as good, but IMO his offense more than compensates for that. I would also be shocked if there was a single GM that would pick either of those two over Kessel.

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come on man...i said MIGHT, not WILL...and the chances get better at finding another kessel with the more picks you have. that's my point.

you also left out the most important part of the sentence you bolded...cost controlled for 4-6 years...if they get lucky and get another kessel who doesn't demand 4.5 million in the 4-6 year period, the trade is a success...and maybe that's a chance they're willing to take.
The problem with what you are saying above is the words "chance" and "lucky". IMO, if you are going to let a potential 40 goal scorer go, you better be banking on more than luck.

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The problem with what you are saying above is the words "chance" and "lucky". IMO, if you are going to let a potential 40 goal scorer go, you better be banking on more than luck.
Uh oh, HOFer...Dont suggest Kessel may be a 40 goal man or guys like RANOLD may tell you that he's a bum without Savard.

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I'd say if anyone offers 4.5 mil, they're nuts and Kessel will be gone because Chiarelli would rather have the draft picks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the point we get a 1, 2 and a 3.

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I think Kessel would emotionally and mentally die in Toronto. What do they call it Cabbage Ville
Agree with that. Hope it doesn't come to pass.

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Not intending to get discussion going on yet another thread, but I thought it would be interesting to look in retrospect what posters thought PC would do, as versus what has just happened.

In summary, 95% of us thought PC would not match an offer of more that $5.25 mil, which essentially is what Kessel got.

And PC received more compensation that what an offer sheet at that level would have returned, essentially a first instead of a 3'rd.

Either we've got a pretty good read on PC, as a collective group we've got our act together, or perhaps it was so obvious even we got it right (lol).

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