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09-20-2009, 09:31 PM
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Eller, Sonne, Lampman, Richmond, and Allen

Eller, Sonne, Lampman, Richmond off to Peoria.

Allen are back to juniors.

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09-20-2009, 10:38 PM
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McRae stays... Sonne goes ... indication of how ready the two are in comparison?

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McRae stays... Sonne goes ... indication of how ready the two are in comparison?
Doubtful, the Blues probably wanted Sonne to get in for the Rivermen training camp which is starting. McRae has to go back to juniors, and the Blues would probably like to get him a little more time with the team to help his development.

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Doubtful, the Blues probably wanted Sonne to get in for the Rivermen training camp which is starting. McRae has to go back to juniors, and the Blues would probably like to get him a little more time with the team to help his development.
I was thinking the same thing but Murray's comments about Sonne's play seemed like there is a lot to be desired/ worked on.

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Eller gets cleared for contact then sent down.
I was hoping to see him tonight or in the next game...

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09-21-2009, 12:41 AM
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Eller gets cleared for contact then sent down.
I was hoping to see him tonight or in the next game...
Cleared for contact, but the Blues might still want to give him more time before he is in a real game, especially one against NHLers (or NHL hopefuls). Also, the Blues seem to want to establish a winning attitude at both the NHL and AHL level. Sending down some players like Eller and Sonne to start building a relationship with teammates and coaches in the AHL training camp is probably part of that process.

Just my guess however

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09-21-2009, 01:44 AM
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If the decision is already made for Eller to not make the roster (and it seems clear that's the case, due to the combination of mono and injury rehab time lost), might as well let him get the best possible start in the AHL.

I can't wait to see him and Palushaj. The Blues have some decent depth awaiting call-ups no matter how cuts shake out.

I haven't heard much about Crombeen this preseason. I realize he has a one-way contract, but I wonder whether he might not be a guy at risk of losing his spot...maybe not immediately, but as the season goes on, too. There are some talented young guys in line. There are also guys like Armstrong and King who have to fit somewhere in the system.

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If the decision is already made for Eller to not make the roster (and it seems clear that's the case, due to the combination of mono and injury rehab time lost), might as well let him get the best possible start in the AHL.

I can't wait to see him and Palushaj. The Blues have some decent depth awaiting call-ups no matter how cuts shake out.

I haven't heard much about Crombeen this preseason. I realize he has a one-way contract, but I wonder whether he might not be a guy at risk of losing his spot...maybe not immediately, but as the season goes on, too. There are some talented young guys in line. There are also guys like Armstrong and King who have to fit somewhere in the system.
I think Winchester is more at risk at losing his spot than Crombeen, who has better skills (with the exception of Winchester's all too rare wrister), is a way better skater, and is rather good defensively for such a young forward. His only real flaw is untimely penalties. And you need players like him. Unless guys like Eller, Palushaj, and Sonne bring fighting and immediate penalty killing, Crombeen's spot is probably safe.

The Blues broadcasters and Andy Murray seemed very pleased about the play of Steen-McClement-Crombeen.

I think Crombeen seems like he's on the outside because he's a couple years older than the current wave of young Blues talent (which is ridiculously young, honestly) and he didn't come up through the Blues' system. But he only just turned 24 and scored 11 goals in 66 games with the Blues as a rookie. And I don't think it was a hot streak or a career year. If he progresses normally, a 20 goal, hard checking, fighting, pk specialist is not far off.

Unless he majorly regresses or is traded, it would be foolish to bump Crombeen for goons, greybeards, or youngsters who don't provide the necessary versatility for a winning team. Don't get me wrong, guys like Eller and Sonne are no slouches overall, but I wouldn't expect them to have the overall game that Crombeen proved he has at 23. A lot of these guys are competing for different roles on the team.

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09-21-2009, 02:38 AM
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I guess I'm thinking mostly of Crombeen vs Armstrong.

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I guess I'm thinking mostly of Crombeen vs Armstrong.
Its mostly Winchester vs Armstrong.

Crombeen has a future with the Blues.
It's likely Winny and Army don't.

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I'd say both Winchester and Crombeen's spots on the roster are VERY safe.

I'm rooting for Army but the only way he wins a spot on the roster to start the season is if King's injury is serious enough to keep him out and the Blues put him on IR. Still, my guess is that Stastny would get that spot before Army would simply because they're about even in talent but Stastny's contract is one-way while Army's is two-way. Army will find his way on the team at some point in the season though. Expect him to get called up before Eller or Palushaj.

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According to Andy Strickland, Brendan Bell has been placed on waivers, and Steve Wagner has been demoted to Peoria.

They are,

a. Either signing Sydor to a contract.
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b. Really like Strachan's play and want to keep him up.

Who else is in camp that could steal a spot? Junland maybe?
The only two other young guys are Strachan and Junland.
I don't want Sydor signed.

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According to Andy Strickland, Brendan Bell has been placed on waivers, and Steve Wagner has been demoted to Peoria.

They are,

a. Either signing Sydor to a contract.
or
b. Really like Strachan's play and want to keep him up.

Who else is in camp that could steal a spot? Junland maybe?
The only two other young guys are Strachan and Junland.
I don't want Sydor signed.
I think it's pretty clear they've decided to sign Sydor, and they are also pleased with Junland's improved play.

I'm really disappointed that they waived Bell. They knew he had weaknesses in his own end. But, I had thought they were going to work hard with him on those aspects of his game. Camp so far, and the pre-season to date, was too short a time to allow him to change his game enough. They had lots of competition, and it seems, they left him to his own devices, and let the competition decide. I think they lost a "diamond-in-the-rough", that had they cultivated it, would have got them a solid young player to help them in the long term.

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We're talking clearing waivers to get assigned to Peoria. The timing seems to be calculated to minimize the chance that someone claims him. On the way back up may be hazardous, later in the year.

I think they've decided on Sydor and Pietro. Sydor is fine to keep, but I don't think he'll be a full-time starter. I was actually wondering if there is a coaching role for him...but if he's the 7th man, spelling Pietro at times (and if someone else is injured), the young guys can still benefit from his wisdom/experience.

Looks like the final roster is shaping up. Eller and Palushaj are clearly out of the running now for that last spot. King has a big hill to climb, and I personally still don't see a justification for having both King and Janssen on the roster at the same time. I appreciate the differences in their games, and although King is the better fighter, I think Janssen is the more useful guy to keep. Both their offensive contributions are trivial, even if you give the edge to King.

Stastny and Armstrong are still in the mix. I haven't been able to watch with my own eyes, but it sure sounds like Armstrong has made a strong case for himself, and seems to be a guy Murray likes.

I can't wait for that first game to drop the puck!

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I'd prefer to see both Strachan and Junland over Sydor.

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I'd prefer to see both Strachan and Junland over Sydor.
Prepare to be disappointed.

Obviously the Blues haven't completely made up their mind on who their final 7 are going to be or else they would've demoted a couple of other guys - Strachan and Junland still have a chance but at this point, I'd expect the Blues to sign Sydor to a cheap contract. Sydor's a nice option to be the 7th guy. This allows all of the young guys to still play almost every game, whether it be in STL or Peoria, he'll still push Petro and others for icetime and most importantly, he can be that vet leader the Blues are looking for.

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I will be really, really upset if they keep Sydor and send down the other guys instead.

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I'd prefer to see both Strachan and Junland over Sydor.
Look at it this way, the Blues need some experience along the blue line. If not for Sydor, Brewer is the elder of the group at 30 years of age, and without him Jackman is at 28. Cola is 26 but has played sparingly until last year. EJ is a year removed from playing, Petro is a rookie, Junland would be a rookie, Polak 23 and Strachan 24. We need veteran leadership to help the young dmen grow and learn, and Sydor would be much better at that job than Junland or Strachan.

I think much like having an aging Tkachuk makes the rest of our forwards better with his experience and leadership, I think a seasoned Dman like Sydor will help our D more than Junland or Strachan, even if both of those players are currently better hockey players than Sydor.

P.S. I know that Weaver is actually over 30, but his NHL experience is also limited. I would prefer a guy like Sydor than a career AHLer as the elder of the group.

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I'll point out this: if someone has to be stuck in the press box on the nights Pietro isn't, its much better its a guy like Sydor than Junland, Wagner, Bell...who still benefit a lot from gaining experience and playing. I'm still a bit skeptical, but I trust the front office.

Who moves when/if Brewer comes back? I'd guess its Sydor.

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Ugh, Sydor. We might as well have kept McKee, at least he can play defense.

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Ugh, Sydor. We might as well have kept McKee, at least he can play defense.
That was a dollars and cap decision. I'd have preferred they resign McKee but I can't blame him for moving to a team who didn't make him a healthy scratch multiple times last season.

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Ugh, Sydor. We might as well have kept McKee, at least he can play defense.
I don't think McKee was happy anymore here, and that is going to affect a player's play. McKee was great at blocking shots, but then his poor passing made it impossible to get the puck out of the zone. You sure can pile up a lot of blocked shots when the pucks stays in zone and they keep getting to shoot.

I'd like to think things would have been differently if we'd had puck moving Dmen to be able to pair him with on a nightly basis his entire time here, or if he hadn't been injured so much to start. I hope McKee does better for the Pens, but I don't think he was going to improve staying here.

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