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09-21-2009, 04:10 PM
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Leafs Lunch with Brian Burke

After watching the Leafs lunch radio show on the internet, I was impressed with what Brian Burke had to say. One thing that caught my attention was when he was asked about having 9 defencmen under contact and who might get sent down. He responded something along the lines of....."in the salary cap era when you put a player on waivers and another team picks them up, it seems that you don't get anything in return. But you now have all the money that was originally purposed to that player back in your pocket to spend else where." To me this means that you probley won't see Ian White being sent down but rather a player with a heafty contract. Any thoughts?

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Jeff Finger.

Except he won't get claimed.

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Jeff Finger.

Except he won't get claimed.
The question is do the Leaf's re-entry waiver him at which someone will claim him. MLSE might be willing to eat contracts, but you know they are going to try to keep every cent they possibly can.

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Jeff Finger.

Except he won't get claimed.
Yeah, finger and frogren seem like the odd men out.

komi - kaberle
beuch - schenn
white - exelby
van ryn

I'm cool with that

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The Marlies are going to be solid on the back end.

Gunnarsson - Finger
Frogren - Oreskovich
Mikus - anything

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The question is do the Leaf's re-entry waiver him at which someone will claim him. MLSE might be willing to eat contracts, but you know they are going to try to keep every cent they possibly can.
I think it's far from a guarantee that somebody would claim Finger on re-entry waivers. He's still pretty pricey at half of his salary.

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it's ridiculous how underrated Finger is on these boards because of his overpaid salary. he is a really good D who is good for tops on the team in hits and blocked shots and even pot 30-35 points.

but yes he is overpaid and there is logjam, no way he isnt claimed at half his salary.

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it's ridiculous how underrated Finger is on these boards because of his overpaid salary. he is a really good D who is good for tops on the team in hits and blocked shots and even pot 30-35 points.

but yes he is overpaid and there is logjam, no way he isnt claimed at half his salary.
he's actually not that underrated.

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it's ridiculous how underrated Finger is on these boards because of his overpaid salary. he is a really good D who is good for tops on the team in hits and blocked shots and even pot 30-35 points.

but yes he is overpaid and there is logjam, no way he isnt claimed at half his salary.
I would imagine Burke won't move him, if he plans to at all, until he has to. Wait until a team is in a bit of a need for a tough bottom pairing dman and try and squeeze a 3rd for him. He is very underrated BTW. Even to take back half salary and a pick would be good for us. I doubt he just dumps him, and if he does, he would ask around to see if a team will actually claim him. He may be thinking of moving Van Ryn and keeping the bottom pairing as White and Finger and XLB as the 7th. That is what I would like to see. Van Ryn expires this year and may be a decent low risk gamble for a team in need of depth PMD.

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I would imagine Burke won't move him, if he plans to at all, until he has to. Wait until a team is in a bit of a need for a tough bottom pairing dman and try and squeeze a 3rd for him. He is very underrated BTW. Even to take back half salary and a pick would be good for us. I doubt he just dumps him, and if he does, he would ask around to see if a team will actually claim him. He may be thinking of moving Van Ryn and keeping the bottom pairing as White and Finger and XLB as the 7th. That is what I would like to see. Van Ryn expires this year and may be a decent low risk gamble for a team in need of depth PMD.

How about Van Ryn moving up to a forward position? Is that just thinking crazy?

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How about Van Ryn moving up to a forward position? Is that just thinking crazy?
I don't see any room for MVR up front, tbh. There's quite the log jam there as well. The way I see it (and I know there are few that will agree), I would move White and send Frogren down to the Marlies. I would waive Finger (although I like him), and have MVR and XLB as my 3rd pairing.

If healthy, Van Ryn is easily a top 4 DMan who is mobile and strong/physical enough to handle the bigger forwards. We would have three very solid defence pairings and if there was an injury to any of the top 4 defencemen, MVR could be moved up to fill that spot. I like White and respect his heart, but imo, he just can't handle the big forwards well enough.

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It would be a dream if somebody would actually pick up Finger on waivers.

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Here's a crazy idea... Kaberle on Center???

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I don't see any room for MVR up front, tbh. There's quite the log jam there as well. The way I see it (and I know there are few that will agree), I would move White and send Frogren down to the Marlies. I would waive Finger (although I like him), and have MVR and XLB as my 3rd pairing.

If healthy, Van Ryn is easily a top 4 DMan who is mobile and strong/physical enough to handle the bigger forwards. We would have three very solid defence pairings and if there was an injury to any of the top 4 defencemen, MVR could be moved up to fill that spot. I like White and respect his heart, but imo, he just can't handle the big forwards well enough.
I think Van Ryn is better than White, Finger and Frogren but I'd like to see MVR as the 7th d man.

This is due to his durability. If he plays less, maybe he stays healthy

And if he's healthy and someone else goes down, in he goes and the leafs don't miss a beat!

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Here's a crazy idea... Kaberle on Center???
No. Kaberle's best asset is his transitional offense. Putting him out of position negates that. Moveing one of Van Ryn or Finger won't be that difficult. Hopefully Burke can get a pick for 1 of them.

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Here's a crazy idea... Kaberle on Center???
No more Berger for you!

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No more Berger for you!
Cherry was the first I ever heard talk of this......he said Kabs would make a great winger. This was back pre-lockout

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Here's a crazy idea... Kaberle on Center???
Stop reading Ek for the love of stanley.

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Yeah, finger and frogren seem like the odd men out.

komi - kaberle
beuch - schenn
white - exelby
van ryn

I'm cool with that
highly unlikely

If Ryno is back to full health and the knee is good............they've already said 8 blueliners stay up with the big club

Komisarek - Kaberle
Beauchemin - Schenn
Finger - Van Ryn
White - XLB

Frogren can move back and forth easily without losing him...........Burke is I think talking about the contracts of some forwards, Stempniak perhaps?

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highly unlikely

If Ryno is back to full health and the knee is good............they've already said 8 blueliners stay up with the big club

Komisarek - Kaberle
Beauchemin - Schenn
Finger - Van Ryn
White - XLB

Frogren can move back and forth easily without losing him...........Burke is I think talking about the contracts of some forwards, Stempniak perhaps?
Wait, what?

Burke said explicitly that he'll either trade one of his excess d-men or send one of them to the minors.

He wasn't talking about Frogren. Burke isn't the type of guy to put two legitimate NHL d-men on the bench. Can you see him sending White, XLB or Van Ryn to the minors?

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I think it's far from a guarantee that somebody would claim Finger on re-entry waivers. He's still pretty pricey at half of his salary.
If a player is put on waivers, does their salary still count against the cap? I know whoever picks the player up is only on the hook for half of his salary but does the other half count towards the cap?

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Burke has said who he thought his top 6 were.Kaberle,Komi,Schenn,Beau,Finger,Exelby.He has also stated he wants 8 dman .White & MVR stay up,Frogren gets sent down on his 2way( no need to clear waivers )

For those of you who dump on Finger for his ability & contract really should do a little homework.............

top 6

http://leafs.hockeyanalysis.com/2009...-6-d/#more-865


Finger's Facts

http://leafs.hockeyanalysis.com/2009...ng-the-finger/

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