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09-22-2009, 02:25 PM
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Who do you see as the 6th dman? Hickey or Drewiske?
Either one...whoever wins the job...whoever doesn't, goes to Manchester.

And I do believe Harrold will be the 7th dman.

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09-22-2009, 02:31 PM
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ultimately its not terry murrays say in who goes and who stays.
His opinion still weighs in a lot. Ultimately, Murray decides who is playing and who isn't, who is cut and who is not - DL didn't cut Zeiler, Murray did. Even though DL has to do the paperwork, they both have to go over the decisions with each other. DL decides who is in the organization and makes the moves, but he gives full control of the team to Murray over who is on the team and where they play. It is not like Murray woke up and suddenly 4 players were sent down and he has to make due... You are somewhat correct when it comes to trades, but not roster moves. Murray would be informed and in the loop over what management is looking at via trades etc... He would have an opinion over whether or not he thinks it will work, but ultimately that is a head office decision, but when it comes to roster moves and Murray's lineup - that is all him.

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09-22-2009, 02:34 PM
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greatest day in kings history? ok ok ok but still good to hear.

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09-22-2009, 02:35 PM
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So the coach isn't responsible for putting his lineup together? Isn't it his job to put out the best possible combination of players as he sees fit? I find that hard to believe he has no say in the matter...
im sure they talk it over, but in the end if DL wants to give hickey a couple games and slot him in at #6 spot to see how he plays for a bit then that's ultimately DL's desicion, not TM, is it not? although i agree that i it would be a bit odd that TM's slotting in drewiskie for the spot but wasn't getting the same feedback from DL.

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09-22-2009, 02:38 PM
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im sure they talk it over, but in the end if DL wants to give hickey a couple games and slot him in at #6 spot to see how he plays for a then that's ultimately DL's desicion, not TM, is it not? although i agree that i it would be a bit odd that TM's slotting in drewiskie for the spot but wasn't getting the same feedback from DL.
Management is a team as well. I highly doubt Dean would order TM to keep Hickey on the team. They would talk it over and Dean was ask TM what he felt and I bet if TM was hellbent against it then Hickey would be in Manchester - I dunno why he would, but as a hypothetical, Dean wouldn't force TM to use someone outside of transactions.

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09-22-2009, 02:40 PM
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Great news about Zeiler, just great.

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09-22-2009, 03:09 PM
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Management is a team as well. I highly doubt Dean would order TM to keep Hickey on the team. They would talk it over and Dean was ask TM what he felt and I bet if TM was hellbent against it then Hickey would be in Manchester - I dunno why he would, but as a hypothetical, Dean wouldn't force TM to use someone outside of transactions.
im just saying that it's not out of the realm of possibility that by the end of preseason hickey has impressed DL & co enough that they want to give him a couple shots at some regular season games and TM has to go back on what he said about penciling in Drewiskie for that spot. that's my only beef with what TM said considering it may just be a bit premature. i guess that's why they use pencils though.

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09-22-2009, 03:14 PM
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I doubt Harrold will be the seventh d man. He's been a forward in every preseason game, and could see time at the point on the 2nd PP unit. I see the fourth line and defense measuring up like this:

Ivanans - Harrold - Westgarth
* Clune, Richardson/Cliche

Doughty - O'Donnell
Johnson - Scuderi
Greene - Drewiske
* Hickey/Piskula

I'm not sure Lewis' time is be best spent on the fourth line. He had a good season last year, but it would be nice to see him build upon that in Manchester this year.

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09-22-2009, 03:19 PM
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if that's the case, it may likely end up as Richardson to start the season because i don't think Lewis is subject to waivers.
That's a good point. To be honest, I haven't seen much from either Lewis or Richardson in the two pre-season games I've attended. I'm a little jaded from last season when Richardson came in and did nothing.

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09-22-2009, 03:22 PM
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im just saying that it's not out of the realm of possibility that by the end of preseason hickey has impressed DL & co enough that they want to give him a couple shots at some regular season games and TM has to go back on what he said about penciling in Drewiskie for that spot. that's my only beef with what TM said considering it may just be a bit premature. i guess that's why they use pencils though.
I can agree with that.


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09-22-2009, 03:27 PM
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Hallelujah.

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Management is a team as well. I highly doubt Dean would order TM to keep Hickey on the team. They would talk it over and Dean was ask TM what he felt and I bet if TM was hellbent against it then Hickey would be in Manchester - I dunno why he would, but as a hypothetical, Dean wouldn't force TM to use someone outside of transactions.
DL is on record from Hockey Fest (http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...7&postcount=93) saying that his intention was to send all of the prospects down for another year of seasoning in the minors - Hickey included, unless they stunned in camp. I'm not sure Hickey has reached that "stunned" status yet. If anything Schenn has been more surprising.

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09-22-2009, 03:34 PM
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Hey LBFF I thought that you loved it when Zeiler was playing for the Kings. I remember you telling me that "he has HOF potential."

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09-22-2009, 03:36 PM
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I doubt Harrold will be the seventh d man. He's been a forward in every preseason game, and could see time at the point on the 2nd PP unit. I see the fourth line and defense measuring up like this:

Ivanans - Harrold - Westgarth
* Clune, Richardson/Cliche

Doughty - O'Donnell
Johnson - Scuderi
Greene - Drewiske
* Hickey/Piskula

I'm not sure Lewis' time is be best spent on the fourth line. He had a good season last year, but it would be nice to see him build upon that in Manchester this year.

No way Kings keep Hickey up just to sit in the box....he either takes Drewiske's spot and Davis goes to the AHL, or Hickey goes to the AHL....

The #7 D will be a guy who the organization doesn't mind sitting for half the season...ie Harrold, Piskula....

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09-22-2009, 03:40 PM
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Hey LBFF I thought that you loved it when Zeiler was playing for the Kings. I remember you telling me that "he has HOF potential."
Zeiler is so last week

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09-22-2009, 03:43 PM
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I am Stunned...

A DL favorite has hit the skids, even he could have been lost... WOW!
So our lil army is shy one less criminal, amazing! I hope the crack pup can
improve his aim an hit some opposing tough guys when they are looking and not
just the boards...

Good luck JZ, who knows maybe the guy actually works on his skills and uses his fast skating for some positive results.
Miracles have happend...

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09-22-2009, 03:58 PM
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Ya, but with Zeiler going down, who will be the whippin boy this year? No Willsie, Calder, Labarbara, Armstrong or Zeiler. I feel so sorry for Peter Harrold!

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09-22-2009, 04:02 PM
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Ha Ha...

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Ya, but with Zeiler going down, who will be the whippin boy this year? No Willsie, Calder, Labarbara, Armstrong or Zeiler. I feel so sorry for Peter Harrold!
Petey Harold the whipping boy for this year? Did you miss last season? He may be the toast of our coach and GM but many of us cringe when he is on the ice...
Especially if he is on Dee or the PP! YIKES! Yeeps!

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09-22-2009, 04:05 PM
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Ha. This is honestly the first time in about 15 years there is no whipping boy....No Modry, Sydor, Tripp, Wilsie, Carter, Armstrong, Zeiler, Labarbera, Cloutier....

Boyle got traded; Armstrong, Gauthier, Calder all walked and Zeiler is in the AHL.

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09-22-2009, 04:10 PM
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Ivanans gets enough crap to be a whipping boy.

My guess, the whipping boy for this season will be one Stoll, Ivanans, and, wait for it, Brown.

A player doesn't need to be a scrub to be a whipping boy.

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A couple of months ago I challenged the Kings to start cutting the players with limited talent, and prove to the fans that you are serious that we have the depth to compete. Despite what some here say, you do need offense from every line, even if the fourth line guys chip in 5-10 goals a piece, its important. Last year's fourth line was completely worthless. Harrold, 3 points in the last 39 games, worthless, and despite his so called versatility, he should not be on an NHL roster. You can see the writing on the wall. TM does not like his size on the blue line, so all his time this preseason has been as a forward. Those three points I mentioned above was his experiment at forward during the last half of last season. Is that what we want? I don't think so. Send Harrold to New Hampshire. They finally had the guts to do the same with Zeiler. Ivanans needs to be right behind him. On the fence with Richardson, keep him as the 14th forward maybe. I think if Hickey does not make the squad, then TM is leaning towards Martinez (who played a great game the other night) or Piskula, who is solid the solid and dependable type as the 7th D. If Hickey makes the team (when is the last time you saw any King make a play like the other night, a beautiful fake pass, on the rush no less, cross ice for a one time to Schenn, you can't teach that), he will be starting and Drewiske will be the 7th.

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Admittedly, he has limited skills, and the team is better off if they have someone more talented to replace him (and they do). But I'm going to miss Zeiler. He was a nice guy, and I always had fun talking to him whenever I ran into him at player events or at Staples when he wasn't dressed for the game that night. Good luck to him in Manchester.


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Ha. This is honestly the first time in about 15 years there is no whipping boy....No Modry, Sydor, Tripp, Wilsie, Carter, Armstrong, Zeiler, Labarbera, Cloutier....

Boyle got traded; Armstrong, Gauthier, Calder all walked and Zeiler is in the AHL.

are you kidding? Frolov is the new black.

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It's true... the Kings really do want to try to make the playoffs this season.

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are you kidding? Frolov is the new black.
I'm pretty sure Brown is the new black. Frolov is the old black.

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Zeiler was the least effective King player I've seen on the ice since Tim Watters. I'm not even sure he knows you're supposed to use your stick and then hit the little black thing that's sliding around on the ice into the big red goal.

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