In fact, I refuse to start a franchise until JVR is on the team.
Flyers players always seem to have problems in the game. Last year, Parent had the wrong pic attached, there's still no pic of Giroux, and JVR is absent from Flyers and the AHL roster.
because he played for the phantoms for what? 2 games? lol
because one rookie with zero nhl experience, another entering his first full year, and a smallish sniper who gets knocked off the puck easily is going to be very prone to getting scored on. i am not saying the line won't be good or better than a powe-giroux-briere. just that it is wishful thinking they will click as well as you say they will as soon as we would all like.
Wow, it's really easy to make anything look bad when you simplify it that much. Let me try. A #2 overall pick with very high potential, a fan-favorite that has displayed unreal vision and has been claimed to be the next Forsberg, and a PPG player that beefed up over the summer. See? I can over-simplify things too.
You also ignored my other point which completely refutes your point here. This is the whole point of having three scoring lines. There are no teams, to my memory, that can fully cover three potent scoring lines. Therefore, as a third line, they should be free to go on the attack a lot and score more then they get scored on. Both Giroux and JVR are defensively responsible. Both Giroux and Briere beefed up over the summer and JVR is a big guy.
I never said anything about me expecting them to score a lot. I just said that it's a potent scoring line. That's it. What is up with people not being able to comprehend my posts lately?
gagne - richards - pyorala
hartnell - carter - briere
powe - giroux - jvr (too young?)
carcillo - betts - lappy
asham (rotates with lappy and carcillo depending on the night)
I like many of the lines that have been listed, but I wanted to try something a little different. Briere actually looked pretty good with Carter and Hartnell last night.
I have no problem with a line of JVR-Giroux-Briere, in fact it is what I want to see. Not EVERY line can be rock solid defensively. Chances are, a line with this much offensive skill will require the other team to use their best checking line on them, which probably refuses the need for them to even be that good defensively.
Putting JVR on this line and having presumably Pyro and Lappy on the top 2, makes those 2 lines VERY solid defensively. So again I state....not EVERY line can be rock solid defensively.
It's not that easy, he got a contract. You're all talking about shipping Jones one way or the other, but how on earth do you plan to get rid of him?
I don't think a trade is an option, his salary is simply too high compared to his skills. Put him on waivers, same thing, no team will pick him up because of this. I believe he got a one-way contract, they will not send him down with that kind of salary.
The point is, if no club is interested in his contract he will remain a Flyer this season, and then become a UFA next year. Of course buying him out is an option, but that will not save any $.
And if Jones stays, Syvret goes. There will simply not be any room for him unless they plan on 8 defensemen on the roster. But Holmgren said they only want 7.
It's not that easy, he got a contract. You're all talking about shipping Jones one way or the other, but how on earth do you plan to get rid of him?
I don't think a trade is an option, his salary is simply too high compared to his skills. Put him on waivers, same thing, no team will pick him up because of this. I believe he got a one-way contract, they will not send him down with that kind of salary.
The point is, if no club is interested in his contract he will remain a Flyer this season, and then become a UFA next year. Of course buying him out is an option, but that will not save any $.
And if Jones stays, Syvret goes. There will simply not be any room for him unless they plan on 8 defensemen on the roster. But Holmgren said they only want 7.
I think if the Flyers want to improve, they gotta bite the bullet and send Jones down.
It's not that easy, he got a contract. You're all talking about shipping Jones one way or the other, but how on earth do you plan to get rid of him?
I don't think a trade is an option, his salary is simply too high compared to his skills. Put him on waivers, same thing, no team will pick him up because of this. I believe he got a one-way contract, they will not send him down with that kind of salary.
The point is, if no club is interested in his contract he will remain a Flyer this season, and then become a UFA next year. Of course buying him out is an option, but that will not save any $.
And if Jones stays, Syvret goes. There will simply not be any room for him unless they plan on 8 defensemen on the roster. But Holmgren said they only want 7.
Several things wrong with this post.
I see no reason to believe they wouldn't pay Jones to play in the AHL if they had to. They've done it before for nearly the same cost with Gauthier.
Buying him out certainly DOES save money. 2/3 of his remaining salary over twice the remaining length of the deal. His salary is 3 million.
2/3 X 3 = 2 / (2X 1 year left) = 1 million a year for the next 2 years. A savings of 1.75 million on this years cap. Now, I think this would be a stupid idea. But it certainly does save money.
I see no reason to believe they wouldn't pay Jones to play in the AHL if they had to. They've done it before for nearly the same cost with Gauthier.
Buying him out certainly DOES save money. 2/3 of his remaining salary over twice the remaining length of the deal. His salary is 3 million.
2/3 X 3 = 2 / (2X 1 year left) = 1 million a year for the next 2 years. A savings of 1.75 million on this years cap. Now, I think this would be a stupid idea. But it certainly does save money.
I thought they need Jones to accept that, if not they have to stick to the contract or pay a full salary.
And Jones is not so bad they'll keep Syvret and let Jones play in the minors for 3 million dollars, sounds crazy
Why are you arguing about something that not only CAN be done but HAS been done. Not only has it been done, but it's been done by this team with this GM.
It wasn't done many years ago because the cap didn't exist so it didn't matter. Now it does. The fact Jones was the lone top guy out of the lineup is not a coincidence.
At least I hope so.
If it comes down to an option of keep JVR or keep Jones and the team feels that JVR is needed, then Jones will very likely be the one to go. There a re a lot of 10 minute per game defensemen out there and this team has at least 3 others who could do it right now.
Why are you arguing about something that not only CAN be done but HAS been done. Not only has it been done, but it's been done by this team with this GM.
What can be done and has been done?
I'm not arguing, I'm just stating the facts. There's only one possible exit for Jones if we want to save some money, another club must pick up his contract, or some buy-out deal. One thing is for sure, the Flyers will follow NHL rules and not violate his contract in any way.
I'm not arguing, I'm just stating the facts. There's only one possible exit for Jones if we want to save some money, another club must pick up his contract, or some buy-out deal. One thing is for sure, the Flyers will follow NHL rules and not violate his contract in any way.
There are 3 ways to get rid of Jones.
1)Trade him
2)Waive him. Which could result in someone picking him up for free, or he clears and we assign him to the AHL (would probably require he stays there the entire season...playoffs included).
3)Buy him out.
If JVR makes the team (which he should) cap is REALLY tight. Jones would be the only expendable player. There are plenty of reasons to move Jones and several ways of doing it. And I've been a Jones supporter.
If JVR makes the team (which he should) cap is REALLY tight. Jones would be the only expendable player. There are plenty of reasons to move Jones and several ways of doing it. And I've been a Jones supporter.
I agree, moving Jones looks like the best option.
But again, keep this in mind, we're actually stuck with Jones if no club wants his contract. And he can't be picked up for free, according to NHL rules the new club must accept his current contract and salary. That's the problem. And buying him out for less than his remaining salary is only possible if Jones agrees.
But again, keep this in mind, we're actually stuck with Jones if no club wants his contract. And he can't be picked up for free, according to NHL rules the new club must accept his current contract and salary. That's the problem. And buying him out for less than his remaining salary is only possible if Jones agrees.
read the first part of post #42, not just the last paragraph. There are 3 ways to get rid of Jones or any other overpaid player. The second seems like a very possible option at this point.
read the first part of post #42, not just the last paragraph. There are 3 ways to get rid of Jones or any other overpaid player. The second seems like a very possible option at this point.
You seem to have no idea how this works. What club do you think wants this overpaid player and pay his salary then? If the answer is none, then trade/waive will not work.
A possible way is to put Jones in a trade along with a top player. NYR did something like this. The Jackets wanted a good D in Fedor Tyutin, but to get him they had to accept Cristian Backmans contract too, a pretty bad overpaid D similar to Jones. It was the only way NYR could get rid of Backman.
i think this means the end of Cote...or even better Jones, but most likely Cote
cause if JVR makes the team, according to Timmmaaaayyyy, his cap hit is $875k, and signing Betts will probably cost us $500k, giving us about $200k in cap room, which isn't enough. waiving Cote give us about $750k in cap room, but doesn't include a 13th forward. What about Pyorala too? He's played good enough to earn a spot on the team
Highlights:
- Jones may get waived
- Cote may see diminished tome but is "an integral part of the team"
- Stevens likes Carcillo - Powe - Lapierre for 4th line
Gags - Cannon - Junior VaRsity
Fartsmell - Carts - Pyro
Smash 'em - What's His Name - Whatever Briere's nickname is
Chico Carbombs - Boom Boom - Lappy5000
But where does Betts go, and what is Betts' nickname?
Could we lose Chico Carbombs or Smash 'em?
