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11-16-2004, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by copperandblue
See and I think it is even more basic from a PA standpoint.

I don't think they want to know what the revenues really are because that would force them to aknowledge what the problem is ... no matter how big or small it is.

Right now they have a pretty sweet deal because they can capitalize on the stupidity of few owners that don't have an issue with running their team in the red.

It's the best of both worlds. 650 players get paid according to sustainability and 50 get paid according to ego. Those 50 are cashing BIG time so why tie the can to the gravy train?

I would take it further. Not just the players but the fans of teams who get to see a roster filled with all stars year in year out go through verbal controtions to justify their collective thumbs on the scale. True here, true in baseball. As you said, 'I don't think they want to know what the revenues really are because that would force them to aknowledge what the problem is ... ' applies to those fans too.

Why is it so hard to see the simple truth that for any sport to have credibility, it should have as level a playing field as possible, and then leave it to the draft and smarts of your front office to compete. No amount of verbal acrobatics is going to change that fact, nor will it change the fact that the vast majority of revenues of a league come from the 70% or so of franchises that have the thumb weighing against them on the scale. Fans may be dumb, but not forever and will go elsewhere and the Detroits and so forth of the league can see what kind of a league they have with 70% less franchises and revenue.

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Originally Posted by rekrul
I guess most of all I want someone new at the commisher job, Bettman may be bright but he has sucked the life out of hockey, in 1994 the NHL was about to be the flavor of the month, now its everyone's punchline. Incredible because its such as awsome game, played by for the most part very likeable players ( who now look so damn greedy drinking what Knob G have been giving them). I have watched now NASCAR become popular and its as foriegn to the non-south USA as Hockey is to the rest of the country. NASCAR is also hated by the east coast sports media, yet it is there pulling viewers in more each week. The NHL is just as established in tradition as any major sport, $2 Bill in revenue means its way above soccer WNBA and bowling combined, yet Bettman has allowed the PERCEPTION that it is. Get a new commish to bring in every marketing/ entertainment wiz. Instead of saving $300 mil to withstand the lockout, imangine a commish solving this mess and INVESTING that $$ back into the sport.
Sorry, but I just don't agree that Bettman should be replaced... as long as he is successful during these negotiations. He has helped the league generate a ton more revenue and the league would be as healthy as we could possibly imagine if there has already some form of salary control in place. If he gets that accomplished now, the punchline is going to be those idiot journalists who spout of complete lies about the NHL vs the likes of the WNBA and bowling.

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i dont want to hear the BS that a cap wont work. it works(ed) with the two richest leagues in north america, and it WILL work w/ hockey. look at football: they have a cap, theyre generating all kinds of revenue, and the players are getting great money.

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I want:

1) the return of the word FLOW to the game of hockey.

2) goaltenders to be "downsized" significantly.

3) all 30 NHL teams prospering financially, on an even playing field, so that they don't feel compelled to "trap" their way to the playoffs.

4) 50-goal scorers, 100-point scorers EVERY season. I want players to become heroic once again, not because of the size of their wallets but rather because of their statistical exploits.

5) Mandatory face shields.

6) Owners imploring their coaching staffs to NOT play the neutral-zone trap.

7) Sidney Crosby, Alexander Ovechkin, Ilya Kovalchuk et al to maximize their potential in the best league in the world.

8) A return in the pride of the sweater, which would mean a few changes to some of today's uniforms (Boston Bruins third jersey, I'm talking to you!).

9) Shootouts to end overtime games in the regular season.

10) A more manageable 74-76 game schedule.

11) Unrestricted free agency at age 26.

12) A salary cap that works best for the NHL.

That's my "dirty dozen".

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Originally Posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
I think that is great idea, on both thoughts. I am a Devils fan, and I could care less about seeing the Ducks, Preds, etc. They only come here a year (tops), anyway. I want to see the Rangers, Isles, and Flyers!!!! Plus, I like the old playoff format of #1 vs. #16. You will put an end to these boring Finals we've been having, plus a greater chance that the two best teams will be there. This is an even better idea when one of the conferences is better than the other.
If you are going to rank 1-16, you better have games against opponents in the other conference, otherwise the 1-16 seedings aren't a true reflection of the 16 best teams (unbalanced schedules).

If you go to 1-16, you have to have a balanced schedule, otherwise the seedings aren't accurate.

I'd hate to see my team miss the playoffs, because some team in the other conference got to play 4 of the 5 worst teams in the NHL.

If you take out conference play, then you have to keep the 1-8 conference seedings!

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Very good question, and I think it's the first time it has been asked.

I want to see the effect of a stupid contract offer by one team only affecting that team, not every other team in the NHL. This means reducing the inflationary effect of salary arbitration.

I want to see a team like Edmonton be able to keep Doug Weight, Bill Guerin and Curtis Joseph or a team like Calgary be able to keep Al MacInnis, Joel Otto and Theoren Fleury if they choose, and not have to trade them for prospects or cheaper players knowing the moment their contracts expire they will be unable to re-sign them.

If a marquee player like a Peter Forsberg was an unrestricted free agent, I want to see a team like Buffalo or Pittsburgh have a legitimate shot at offering a competitive contract as much as the top six or eight usual suspects.

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