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09-29-2009, 04:21 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if Myers made the starting 6 and Montador will play on the 4th line.


With Stafford out look for Hecht-Roy-Vanek again. They played well together against the Leafs. Vanek didn't look out of place at all on the RW. Then I would imagine Kennedy will be on the 3rd line in Hecht's place.

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09-29-2009, 04:23 PM
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Gerbe-Roy together....
Roy and Stafford really got going when Gerbe was first called up, whatever that means.

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http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/...sions-yet.html
Here's the lines currently skating:

Vanek-Roy-Connolly-Gerbe (two centermen switching off)
MacArthur-Kennedy-Pominville
Grier-Gaustad-Hecht
Kaleta-Ellis-Paille

Seems odd to be flip /flopping Roy, and Connolly?

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09-29-2009, 06:17 PM
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Sounds like the Lydman injury may be somewhat serious, as the below Ruff quote suggests:

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The Lydman injury, if serious, could play a big hand in whether or not Meyers stays up with the parent club. "The obvious answer would be 'Yes'. If you don't have (Lydman) that decision would be made easier."
I don't think he would have even said this if there's not at least the possibility Lydman would be out more than 9 games. Losing by far their leading shot-blocker and hitter is going to hurt. Hate to say it, but looks like they're going to have to go Tallinder-Myers.

Butler-Rivet
Tallinder-Myers
Sekera-Montador
x Paetsch

OR

Tallinder-Rivet
Butler-Myers
Sekera-Montador

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09-29-2009, 09:32 PM
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Seems odd to be flip /flopping Roy, and Connolly?
It seems like it was Gerbe and Connolly that were switching off on that line. http://www.wgr550.com/Sabres-Roster-...-Shape/5326455

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Tim Connolly skated on a wing with Derek Roy and Thomas Vanek. Nathan Gerbe was a fourth addition to the line.

Interesting that Connolly is taken off his line as the center and is rotating with Gerbe

Thats either quite an indictment of Connolly this preseason, high praise for Kennedy/Gerbe or a little of both.


Makes you wonder who was the one (Quinn/Regier/Ruff) that was hell bent to resign him.


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09-29-2009, 09:44 PM
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http://www.wgr550.com/Sabres-Roster-...-Shape/5326455

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The defensive pairings began with Chris Butler and Craig Rivet. Andrej Sekera skated with Steve Montador. Nathan Paetsch took Toni Lydman's spot with Henrik Tallinder. The fourth pairing was Mike Weber and Tyler Myers.


Butler/Rivet
Sekera/Montador
Paestch/Tallinder

Yuck if thats the top 6

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09-29-2009, 09:47 PM
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It seems like it was Gerbe and Connolly that were switching off on that line. http://www.wgr550.com/Sabres-Roster-...-Shape/5326455




Interesting that Connolly is taken off his line as the center and is rotating with Gerbe

Thats either quite an indictment of Connolly this preseason, high praise for Kennedy/Gerbe or a little of both.


Makes you wonder who was the one (Quinn/Regier/Ruff) that was hell bent to resign him.
I think it was more Ruff wanting to get another good look at Kennedy/Gerbe before having to make the final decision tomorrow than anything Connolly did. The TBN did say specifically it was the centers who were taking turns (i.e. Roy and Connolly). If anything, the fact that Connolly started on the wing and only later did Gerbe get put on the line, while Kennedy was there the whole time, I think suggests how much they like Kennedy.

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09-29-2009, 09:51 PM
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I think it was more Ruff wanting to get another good look at Kennedy/Gerbe before having to make the final decision tomorrow than anything Connolly did. The TBN did say specifically it was the centers who were taking turns (i.e. Roy and Connolly). If anything, the fact that Connolly started on the wing and only later did Gerbe get put on the line, while Kennedy was there the whole time, I think suggests how much they like Kennedy.
Its actually pretty confusing (for me anyway) what they did with the first line

If they started lined up as

Vanek/Roy/Connolly

It would be more than the centers taking turns if Gerbe was added to the mix

The centers taking turns would be a line of Vanek/Roy/Gerbe with Connolly being added in for Roy.

Which is how I read the WGR blurb about it. (I also read TBN before my post)

But either way your assessment seems pretty spot on and my bored speculation wont matter after 3pm tomorrow.


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09-29-2009, 09:51 PM
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Makes you wonder who was the one (Quinn/Regier/Ruff) that was hell bent to resign him.
I'm a huge Connolly fan, but that signing was a huge mistake. It'd be one thing to sign him for around $3 mil per and use him in limited ES minutes and as a PP/PK specialist, and to fill in for injuries. But that's not what happened.

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Butler/Rivet
Sekera/Montador
Paestch/Tallinder
Barf. Huge stinky projectile barf. Between Tallinder and Paetsch still being there, Lydman being hurt, and no Myers, that is just absolute crap.

How are things already this ****ed up and we haven't hit opening night? At this rate 10th place might be optimistic.

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I'm a huge Connolly fan, but that signing was a huge mistake. It'd be one thing to sign him for around $3 mil per and use him in limited ES minutes and as a PP/PK specialist, and to fill in for injuries. But that's not what happened.
Are you talking about Connolly? Limited ES time? He's our best offensive player with maybe the exception of Vanek.

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09-29-2009, 10:06 PM
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Are you talking about Connolly? Limited ES time? He's our best offensive player with maybe the exception of Vanek.
Yes he is. For around 48 games a season. Which is what I'm getting at when I talk about limiting his ES time - minimizing both how much he's exposed to injury, and how much we rely on him as a vital part of the team. Expecting him to play a full season in the top six would be textbook insanity on our part, or gross incompetence in Darcy's case .

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I'd like to see Kennedy replace MacArthur in the top 6.

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Interesting that Connolly is taken off his line as the center and is rotating with Gerbe

Thats either quite an indictment of Connolly this preseason, high praise for Kennedy/Gerbe or a little of both.
Not that I've been screaming it from mountain tops, but I've mentioned on more than one occasion that I was not very happy with what I saw from Connolly this preseason to see what others thought. He really hasn't been discussed much.

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Yes he is. For around 48 games a season. Which is what I'm getting at when I talk about limiting his ES time - minimizing both how much he's exposed to injury, and how much we rely on him as a vital part of the team. Expecting him to play a full season in the top six would be textbook insanity on our part, or gross incompetence in Darcy's case .
If he's healthy he will be a vital part of this team. It makes no sense not to play him because he might get injured, he'd be less useful that way than if he missed 30 games and played the other 50 full-time.

I don't see what the problem with relying on Connolly is. He's a really good player, but if he gets injured for a long period of time he's still helping your team more if he's just not on the team. Based on the center options available in free agency I'd gladly take Connolly.

You're letting your pessimism cloud your reason my friend.

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How are things already this ****ed up and we haven't hit opening night? At this rate 10th place might be optimistic.
I think things are more set than that. At this point I think Ruff is just seeing how depth guys plug in, in the event of an injury.

I got the sense during preseason, at least towards the end, that Ruff was playing 2 official lines per game, plus 3-4 regular defensemen.

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Butler/Rivet
Sekera/Montador
Paestch/Tallinder

Yuck if thats the top 6
Yeah, that's the "top 6" that people point to make non-playoff finish predictions. Easily point to and make those predictions.

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Same ol same ol, It'd be nice to have the 05-06 situation where these kids could actually stick around and stay on the team and push people for jobs, but that would involve having a GM who's proactive and a coach who's disgusting favoritism doesn't keep us from icing our best team.

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Also, there's really no point of keeping Gerbe or Kennedy up as part time guys, if you're not going to use them, let them get first line minutes in Portland

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Butler/Rivet as our top pairing on opening night?

uh,,,


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So Stafford is out?

Than Vanek has to play with at least 1 rookie?

Ok, i can live with that

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"With 26 players still in Buffalo, Head Coach Lindy Ruff has some decisions to make to get the Sabres down to the League maximum of 23 players."

1. Tim Connolly
2. Matt Ellis
3. Paul Gaustad
4. Nathan Gerbe
5. Mike Grier
6. Jochen Hecht
7. Patrick Kaleta
8. Tim Kennedy
9. Clarke MacArthur
10. Daniel Paille
11. Jason Pominville
12. Derek Roy
13. Drew Stafford
14. Thomas Vanek
15. Chris Butler
16. Toni Lydman
17. Steve Montador
18. Tyler Myers
19. Nathan Paetsch
20. Craig Rivet
21. Andrej Sekera
22. Henrik Tallinder
23. Mike Weber
24. Patrick Lalime
25. Ryan Miller

Who's missing?

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"With 26 players still in Buffalo, Head Coach Lindy Ruff has some decisions to make to get the Sabres down to the League maximum of 23 players."

1. Tim Connolly
2. Matt Ellis
3. Paul Gaustad
4. Nathan Gerbe
5. Mike Grier
6. Jochen Hecht
7. Patrick Kaleta
8. Tim Kennedy
9. Clarke MacArthur
10. Daniel Paille
11. Jason Pominville
12. Derek Roy
13. Drew Stafford
14. Thomas Vanek
15. Chris Butler
16. Toni Lydman
17. Steve Montador
18. Tyler Myers
19. Nathan Paetsch
20. Craig Rivet
21. Andrej Sekera
22. Henrik Tallinder
23. Mike Weber
24. Patrick Lalime
25. Ryan Miller

Who's missing?
Mair still counts for now.

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Honestly, I really excpect Myers to be int the linup in our first game....

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I'm guessing Mair wasn't put on IR and won't be out for as long as expected.

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I don't see what the problem with relying on Connolly is. He's a really good player, but if he gets injured for a long period of time he's still helping your team more if he's just not on the team. Based on the center options available in free agency I'd gladly take Connolly.
That's debatable. Line chemistry is important, and having Tiny Tim's broken ass in and out of the lineup doesn't help things. Not to mention one more big concussion and his career could be over, and we have him under contract until 2011.

Looking only at center options available at the trade deadline ignores the fact that we needed a center for the 2 full seasons before that. We're now going into our 3rd straight season without a reliable number 1 center.

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You're letting your pessimism cloud your reason my friend.
You're letting your optimism cloud yours. The stats are what they are - Tim is good for, on average, about 40 games a year. That's the objective reality of the situation. Expecting much more or less than that is simply subjective opinion - you're certainly entitled to one, but let's not pretend that it's an objective fact.

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