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09-30-2009, 10:13 PM
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There's no point to trading him for a 3rd. Better to just keep him suspended until he decides he wants an NHL career and reports.
Or he can stay suspended and go play in the KHL, he's an RFA next year and the Habs can qualify him to piss him off of they can just let him go after the RFA status and he can sign with any NHL team he wants.

Gainey looks like he has a lot of options but it boils down to this.

1. Suspend Kostitsyn and hope he decides to report to Hamilton.
2. Trade him, which is what Sergei has asked which means he really doesn't want to stay regardless.
3. If Gainey doesn't want to trade him, he can just leave for the KHL, NHL can fight about it but the KHL won't care, they will still sign him.

And really, Gainey could either lose a player like the Predators did or they can trade him and get something back for a guy that really doesn't want to play in Hamilton (and has asked for a trade which means he doesn't want to be apart of that organization).

Sergei Kostitsyn is still a solid prospect, the guy can be a solid NHL player if he works more at things like consistency for one. Habs fans can whine until they are blue in the face, but if a guy asks for a trade when he doesn't want to report to the AHL, how many say ok screw it, I want to stay? What are the odds of that happening?

They can either lose an asset or gain an asset by moving one that doesn't want to be in with their team.

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09-30-2009, 10:19 PM
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Or he can stay suspended and go play in the KHL, he's an RFA next year and the Habs can qualify him to piss him off of they can just let him go after the RFA status and he can sign with any NHL team he wants.

Gainey looks like he has a lot of options but it boils down to this.

1. Suspend Kostitsyn and hope he decides to report to Hamilton.
2. Trade him, which is what Sergei has asked which means he really doesn't want to stay regardless.
3. If Gainey doesn't want to trade him, he can just leave for the KHL, NHL can fight about it but the KHL won't care, they will still sign him.

And really, Gainey could either lose a player like the Predators did or they can trade him and get something back for a guy that really doesn't want to play in Hamilton (and has asked for a trade which means he doesn't want to be apart of that organization).

Sergei Kostitsyn is still a solid prospect, the guy can be a solid NHL player if he works more at things like consistency for one. Habs fans can whine until they are blue in the face, but if a guy asks for a trade when he doesn't want to report to the AHL, how many say ok screw it, I want to stay? What are the odds of that happening?

They can either lose an asset or gain an asset by moving one that doesn't want to be in with their team.
Sergei can go to the KHL. We are not getting ripped off or screwed by Sergei ****ing Kostitsyn. Who the **** does this guy think he is? He can to Russia. I choose to deal with it the Preds' way - let him waste valuable development years in another league.

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09-30-2009, 10:24 PM
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As long as he's suspended by the team, we hold his rights. Same reason why Radulov is suspended by Nashville. Any time he decides to return, he's still Nashville property.

I believe there was some kind of ruling last year about this.

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09-30-2009, 10:30 PM
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To Nashville :

Tomas Plekanec
Andrei Kostitsyn
Sergei Kostitsyn
Jaroslav Halak
Picks

To Montreal :

Jean-Pierre Dumont
Jason Arnott
Alexander Radulov
1 goalie

Oh and BTW David Poile pulls this trade because he secretely cheers for the Habs.

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To Nashville :

Tomas Plekanec
Andrei Kostitsyn
Sergei Kostitsyn
Jaroslav Halak
Picks

To Montreal :

Jean-Pierre Dumont
Jason Arnott
Alexander Radulov
1 goalie

Oh and BTW David Poile pulls this trade because he secretely cheers for the Habs.
Criminy. Go big or go home. Ask for Suter and Weber too.

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09-30-2009, 11:02 PM
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How about Benoit Pouliot?
Both have similar attitude problems with potential high return.
Change of scenery for both may be just what the doctor ordered.

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09-30-2009, 11:08 PM
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Sergei can go to the KHL. We are not getting ripped off or screwed by Sergei ****ing Kostitsyn. Who the **** does this guy think he is? He can to Russia. I choose to deal with it the Preds' way - let him waste valuable development years in another league.
Really? So if he goes to the KHL, plays with someone like Fedorov or Jagr, depending on which team he would sign on and plays top 6 minutes, gets his game together and comes back to the NHL and turns into a solid player, the KHL would have been a waste of time?

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09-30-2009, 11:11 PM
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Ok, fine.

But that doesn't mean you're trading him for Bolland or Frolov.

If value for you begins only above a third round pick, then S. Kostitsyn has no value.
I didn't say anything about Bolland or Frolov. But if you think we're just going to trade him, let him mature on some other team and become a 60-70 point player, then that's not going to happen. It's incredibly stupid to trade him for a 3rd round pick. There's a good chance that pick will bust and Sergei will be a good player. Like I said, Russia or AHL. It's up to you, Sergei.

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09-30-2009, 11:14 PM
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Really? So if he goes to the KHL, plays with someone like Fedorov or Jagr, depending on which team he would sign on and plays top 6 minutes, gets his game together and comes back to the NHL and turns into a solid player, the KHL would have been a waste of time?
And who says he'll play with Fedorov or Jagr? Who says they'll give him the right ice time he needs to develop? The right training and coaching? The right discipline?

Let's just put it this way: there is no way we're going to let somebody steal a future 60 point top 6 forward for free. It isn't going to happen. Sergei Kostitsyn will stay suspended just like Radulov is now.

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09-30-2009, 11:17 PM
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How about Sergei for the Oil's Brule?

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09-30-2009, 11:18 PM
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Yeah, so? It was coming off a great season by both of them. Sergei and Andrei had (have) tons of upside. Sergei in the 07-08 playoffs even played an important role and got 8 points in 12 games. The two were playing well at the time. I'm sure you can find a lot of instances where two players were equal, but one sort of fell off. It's nothing to gloat about. It's not like you're Daniel or Henrik.

It was retarded to say the Kostitsyns were as valuable as the Sedins then, and it's just as retarded to defend that position now. Anybody worth their salt as a hockey fan knew then that the proposition was extraordinarily stupid then, and can recognize it as such now.

And no, I'm not Daniel or Henrik, but I am a fan of their team. As such, I'm glad that they just signed long-term contracts and appear poised for a great year. Neither of them came to camp out of shape or got cut from the team.

I feel very comfortable gloating about that.

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09-30-2009, 11:23 PM
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To Edmonton: Georges Laracque and Sergei K

To Montreal: Zack Stortini + 4th round

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I didn't say anything about Bolland or Frolov. But if you think we're just going to trade him, let him mature on some other team and become a 60-70 point player, then that's not going to happen. It's incredibly stupid to trade him for a 3rd round pick. There's a good chance that pick will bust and Sergei will be a good player. Like I said, Russia or AHL. It's up to you, Sergei.
I don't think you'll ever have to worry about that.

And I know you said nothing about Bolland or Frolov, but others did. You're acting like we're arguing, but we basically agree. Right now, his value around the league is low so that unless you want to return something with low value, you may as well not trade him. We are both saying this and framing it differently. All I was saying is that some people are shooting for the moon in here and I didn't mean you specifically, or at all...

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It was retarded to say the Kostitsyns were as valuable as the Sedins then, and it's just as retarded to defend that position now. Anybody worth their salt as a hockey fan knew then that the proposition was extraordinarily stupid then, and can recognize it as such now.

And no, I'm not Daniel or Henrik, but I am a fan of their team. As such, I'm glad that they just signed long-term contracts and appear poised for a great year. Neither of them came to camp out of shape or got cut from the team.

I feel very comfortable gloating about that.
It was not as clear cut back then as you imply. It's easy to take that point of view right now.

I would have taken the Sedins too, but I don't see anything to gloat about still.

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Bah, I wouldn't give much, he's probably at the bar at Buena Note right now drinking an Appletini... Seriously, who the bleep does he think he is?

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To Montreal: Zack Stortini + 4th round
No thanks.

Gainey is going to wait and see how he acts. If his request doesn't change in a little while, then he might be traded. Until then, nothing will happen soon, or at least that what appears to be, but GMs are unpredictable.

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Or he can stay suspended and go play in the KHL, he's an RFA next year and the Habs can qualify him to piss him off of they can just let him go after the RFA status and he can sign with any NHL team he wants.

Gainey looks like he has a lot of options but it boils down to this.

1. Suspend Kostitsyn and hope he decides to report to Hamilton.
2. Trade him, which is what Sergei has asked which means he really doesn't want to stay regardless.
3. If Gainey doesn't want to trade him, he can just leave for the KHL, NHL can fight about it but the KHL won't care, they will still sign him.

And really, Gainey could either lose a player like the Predators did or they can trade him and get something back for a guy that really doesn't want to play in Hamilton (and has asked for a trade which means he doesn't want to be apart of that organization).

Sergei Kostitsyn is still a solid prospect, the guy can be a solid NHL player if he works more at things like consistency for one. Habs fans can whine until they are blue in the face, but if a guy asks for a trade when he doesn't want to report to the AHL, how many say ok screw it, I want to stay? What are the odds of that happening?

They can either lose an asset or gain an asset by moving one that doesn't want to be in with their team.

The only problem is that it shows your other entry level players that you just have to not report and ask for a trade and you are free to go.

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I like Zubov and I love Radulov, but how about the Kost bros for Kyle Turris ? Phx needs to start winning for the sake of their franchise, maybe the Kost brothers could add some offense to their team ?

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And who says he'll play with Fedorov or Jagr? Who says they'll give him the right ice time he needs to develop? The right training and coaching? The right discipline?

Let's just put it this way: there is no way we're going to let somebody steal a future 60 point top 6 forward for free. It isn't going to happen. Sergei Kostitsyn will stay suspended just like Radulov is now.
We can't rush to conclusions he might need the KHL to set him straight and show that he wants to be back in North America in the NHL. Perfect example.

RAY EMERY - went to KHL, sure he had a few bumps over there, but his numbers sky rocketed through the roof and he was one of the leagues best goalie. He stated while in an interview at fenway park, that he really appreciates what he has and what he has got, will not take it for granted said he hasn't felt this good in awhile to have another shot at the NHL.

Now he just has to prove it. This could be a good thing for Sergei, only difference is that is his home country and where he is from. So he might want to stay there or it can give him a swift kick in the arse and smarten him up.

"you don't know what you got until its gone"

thats what this scenario is. He will realise when this is all and over if its good or bad.

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No thanks.

Gainey is going to wait and see how he acts. If his request doesn't change in a little while, then he might be traded. Until then, nothing will happen soon, or at least that what appears to be, but GMs are unpredictable.
I don't know if he is going to wait to be honest. Gainey in his interview yesterday didn't look to happy that he was demanding a trade, then stated he will do anything in his power to accomodate moving him. He then smirked after they asked what he would do if he leaves, he said we have guys that "reported to AHL, like the scenario sergei was in "that actually reported down" that are dying and scratching to get their way up to the big club, I see no problem bringing in someone working hard for the position.

"He has to work on some things with this game, and Jacque and I felt he wasn't ready".

He will be gone in another 2 weeks top I find, Gainey doesn't want that looming over the team and he looks more serious and the feeling around the team, GM and coach is no **** or you will not play. Or ride pine all year long. Martin and Gainey are going to be putting the past to the past and put a young team in line to have a good season. Gomez, Gionta, Gill, Spacek, Mara, Moen, Cammalleri are all examples of players to bring into a locker room to straighten out guys like sergei. They all played in playoffs last year except Spacek but he has been to the playoffs and help lead the Oilers to the cup finals in '06, 3 of them won the stanley cup.

They don't need sergei screwing up a good thing gel'ing together here.

Gainey I believe will deal him.


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I doubt the Habs are in that much of a hurry to trade him. He didn't even make the team out of camp so he's obviously not that important (although he doesn't seem to think so).

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They don't need sergei screwing up a good thing gel'ing together here.

Gainey I believe will deal him.
Yeah Gainey will get rid of him quickly. It's not like we're talking Dany Heatly here, this guy is just a young project not a main piece of you're starting line up.

My proposal would be Sergei + Plekanec for P. Sharp.

Chi town gets a decent center to replace Sharp this season, who then comes off books summer 2010 as UFA. Over 3 million cap relief for signing RFAs.

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I don't usually like making proposals...but, here is one

To Chicago:

Sergei
3rd Round Pick
Conditional 2nd round pick in case Sergei is still a certified jackass and goes AWOL

To Montreal:

One of Brouwer/Skille/Burish(maybe decrease the picks one round for Burish)

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I don't usually like making proposals...but, here is one

To Chicago:

Sergei
3rd Round Pick
Conditional 2nd round pick in case Sergei is still a certified jackass and goes AWOL

To Montreal:

One of Brouwer/Skille/Burish(maybe decrease the picks one round for Burish)
I don't think they would trade him for Burish I believe he is out with an injury for a significant amount of time this season. probably Brouwer would be the best bet.

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