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You're the one starting to sound like a broken record, except that record is just the collective whining of a million gimme gimme now now fans.

If Horcoff walked, there would be nobody zero zip zilch nada to replace him.
HorCult argument #1: Horcoff is the best we'll ever get so get used to loving him.

It's not a solution, it's the problem.

Apparently replacing a decent defensive player (PK inabilities now notwithstanding) and a mediocre offensive player (~100th OV last season?) is impossible.

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A capped team might be bad but a team with $5M in cap space and nothing to use it on is even worse.
Short term? (Say, one season) You're right.

Long term? (Say, the next 5 years) Dead wrong.

It's a case of the cure being worse than the disease.

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Stick to the plan. Its worked this past three years. Hey I'd love to see Horcoff coax a 60+ point season out of Jacques. Do I think that will happen? No. Do NHL teams need their #1 centreman to put up big production points? I would say that is pretty much a guarantee. The guy gets big ice time minutes and power play time. This team needs that to translate into leadership in points to have any chance at success. He played almost a third of all hockey games on average.

I admire Horcoff for his work ethic and team first mentality. But cue the broken record, I have always held that if he is this team's first line centre, it will not be a Cup contending hockey team. Aside from one miracle cup run (thank you Rollie, thank you Pronger, thank you Pisani), the track record has been true to form.

Every team needs heart and soul players like Sean Horcoff. Just not at the salary and placed in the position he has clawed his way into on this team. Gimme Gimme fans. LMAO. This team has been in the wilderness for three years! Line up is on the left sheep and enjoy your cool aid! "We're #21 is okay in Oil town!"
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HorCult argument #1: Horcoff is the best we'll ever get so get used to loving him.

It's not a solution, it's the problem.

Apparently replacing a decent defensive player (PK inabilities now notwithstanding) and a mediocre offensive player (~100th OV last season?) is impossible.



Short term? (Say, one season) You're right.

Long term? (Say, the next 5 years) Dead wrong.

It's a case of the cure being worse than the disease.

Alright. Let me make you feel better. From here on out Shawn Horcoff and Ales Hemsky have officially swapped contracts. Horcoff comes in at a reasonable cap hit of $4.1M and Hemsky is now on par at $5.5M. All is right in the world. The fans can now go back to harping on Pisani, Moreau and Staois.

And don't worry. If you had not realized it yet, Quinn is only sending a message to the team. It's very symbolic and cryptic I know, but basically he's saying "Earn your spots". Jacques earned his spot. Stone earned his spot. Brule earned his spot. Gagner did not. Schremp most certainly did not. So perhaps instead of blaming the coaching staff or management or whoever it is today, we can let the players decide who wants to be a part of this team and who doesn't.

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Alright. Let me make you feel better. From here on out Shawn Horcoff and Ales Hemsky have officially swapped contracts. Horcoff comes in at a reasonable cap hit of $4.1M and Hemsky is now on par at $5.5M. All is right in the world. The fans can now go back to harping on Pisani, Moreau and Staois.

And don't worry. If you had not realized it yet, Quinn is only sending a message to the team. It's very symbolic and cryptic I know, but basically he's saying "Earn your spots". Jacques earned his spot. Stone earned his spot. Brule earned his spot. Gagner did not. Schremp most certainly did not. So perhaps instead of blaming the coaching staff or management or whoever it is today, we can let the players decide who wants to be a part of this team and who doesn't.
I don't live in Bizarro World where your attempt to rationalize contracts might help to make you feel better about Horcoff's salary. Hope it helps! Denial - not just a river in Egypt!

Thanks too for the incredible insight into Pat Quinn. You mean he really won't stick rigidly to the lines that will start the season? Whew! This message brought to you by Captain Obvious.

I think there is ample criticism to go around on a hockey team walking in the wilderness for the last three seasons and entering into this year with virtually the same roster. Personally, I begin with the players. They showed little heart and character last year. Secondly, I will fling some poo at management for bad contracts and overhyping its players. Thirdly, MacT was clearly operating past his best before day and short of Dr. Frankenstein's jumper cables could not inspire, coax or shame consistent performances out of Penner, Nilsson and others.

Don't like mine or others take on the Oilers situation or Sean Horcoff, scan the net. People paid to report and comment on hockey are actually pretty consistent on things. Try on for size:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=293221

Horcoff, 31, will earn US$7 million this season and is coming off a 53-point campaign as the team's top centre. That, after a 50-point season cut short by injury in 2007-08 and a 51 points in 2006-07.

That's not the bang for the buck the Oilers were expecting when they signed Horcoff to a new contract after he had 73 points in 2005-06.

"A lot of it is maturity," Horcoff said. "Guys are a year older. There comes a point in your career where you either make that move or you don't.

"For a lot of us, it's here. I think we're prepared to do that. If you look down the roster, maybe two or three guys would be happy with their year last year. There's lots of room for improvement.

Or Try Bob McKenzie's analysis on his TSN Video. There is lots out there...


My accountability starts with the players and rests to a large degree on their shoulders. The first place I look there is to whether the high priced help is pulling its weight.

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Alright. Let me make you feel better. From here on out Shawn Horcoff and Ales Hemsky have officially swapped contracts. Horcoff comes in at a reasonable cap hit of $4.1M and Hemsky is now on par at $5.5M. All is right in the world. The fans can now go back to harping on Pisani, Moreau and Staois.
Serious question. Did you write this while drunk? It makes absolutely no sense.

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I'm predicing that even if he does play well, he won't be getting more ice time. I'll say it now, he'll bee getting less than 6 minutes, maybe even less than 5 mintues and won't be able to prove anything.
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Do you actually believe any of the nonsense that you spout? For the life of me I can't figure out if you are some dellusional old lady sitting in a wicker chair surrounded by famished cats, or if you're the greatest (for lack of a better word) troll of all time and you post this garbage and sit back and laugh.

By the way, the entire purpose of the NHL is a smokescreen to punish and abuse Edmonton, Edmonton gets screwed by the ref's every single game, the media hates Edmonton, if things were fair the Oil would win the cup just about every year, and Pierre Mcguire created an evil weather machine to create long Edmonton winters in an effort to keep FA's away.

There, now you don't have to post anymore.

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