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09-30-2009, 01:36 PM
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Chris Doyle, a P.E.I. Rocket forward, has been charged with assault causing bodily harm and willfully damaging property after an incident in Charlottetown last week.
Court documents said Doyle, a 19-year-old Charlottetown native, allegedly assaulted one woman and damaged the laptop of another woman on Sept. 25.
Serge Savard Jr., Rocket president and governor, said the fourth-year centre on the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League club will remain with the team.
“We’re prepared to help him out, not for the benefit of the Rocket but for the benefit of Chris Doyle,’’ said Savard.
Doyle was released on an undertaking with conditions. His court date to enter a plea is Oct. 22 at 10 a.m. in provincial court in Charlottetown.
The assault causing bodily harm charge can carry jail time.
http://theguardian.pe.ca/index.cfm?sid=290871&sc=98

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the son of a ***** damaged a laptop?!?!?


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the son of a ***** damaged a laptop?!?!?


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I wouldn't really say that. Kane is known for being a hot head and has had altercations before. None to this extent, but the kid is not a nice kid. He's far from being a model citizen.
Do we know Pat Kane? Because if not, that's quite unfair.

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Doyle is a talented player, he has a great shot, I swear his wrist shot is as powerful as his slapshot. He is a terrible +/- player, and he has no defensive game. With the attitude he has I doubt he would have played with the Rangers, Torts would not put up with Doyle's crap.

Apart from that this is a really crappy situation Doyle got himself into. Hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson from this. Right now his future in hockey is doubtful. I just wish he would have taken his frustration out on the ice ie dropping the gloves

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10-01-2009, 12:19 PM
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If he truly punched a girl in the face, the misdemeanor will likely stick and he'll have a criminal record ... and he can forget about the NHL unless he becomes a top-6 forward willing to play for 4-th line money.

I thought it was a little bar scrap or some other pushing/shoving match that we all had at some point as young men.
Unfortunately the young woman required stitches and had her nose broken according to CBC news.

Sadly it is not looking good for his future.

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Unfortunately the young woman required stitches and had her nose broken according to CBC news.

Sadly it is not looking good for his future.
Got to say after this--that I won't be disappointed if the Rangers decide to walk away from him.

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Got to say after this--that I won't be disappointed if the Rangers decide to walk away from him.
I would be. There has been guys in the league (ex. Chris Simon ) that should have been barred along time ago. Everyone is looking down on this kid right now. Big deal, he had an altercation. Move on. The kid is still young and immature. I forgot, everyone at his age was a role model citizen. Puh-lease.

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I would be. There has been guys in the league (ex. Chris Simon ) that should have been barred along time ago. Everyone is looking down on this kid right now. Big deal, he had an altercation. Move on. The kid is still young and immature. I forgot, everyone at his age was a role model citizen. Puh-lease.
You're right, I forgot it was normal teenage behavior walking around and breaking girls' noses for no reason

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I would be. There has been guys in the league (ex. Chris Simon ) that should have been barred along time ago. Everyone is looking down on this kid right now. Big deal, he had an altercation. Move on. The kid is still young and immature. I forgot, everyone at his age was a role model citizen. Puh-lease.
Well I don't know if you have a daughter--I do. Anyway it's not a big reach for me to think what if that person was close to you? This is a disgraceful act. And the Rangers would send a good message out to the rest of the players in their organization that they expect good conduct off the ice--by dropping Doyle who is a long shot on the one hand and seems to be a primadonna as well.

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You know, I see both sides.

I am not in any way defending Chris, but these things do happen to young people and with a little encouragement and some good guidance, they turn their life around. I will never give up on a young person for this very reason. On the other hand, it is a serious assault. The guy is looked up too by young hockey players, he can turn this bad into good by owning it and moving ahead.

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I would be. There has been guys in the league (ex. Chris Simon ) that should have been barred along time ago. Everyone is looking down on this kid right now. Big deal, he had an altercation. Move on. The kid is still young and immature. I forgot, everyone at his age was a role model citizen. Puh-lease.
Dude, it wasn't a bar fight with an obnoxious fan or anything like that. According to press reports, he assaulted a woman. Unless the circumstances were completely extraordinary (like she was threatening him with a gun), there are absolutely NO circumstances under which this is okay. None.

I was a fan of the pick and was hoping that they signed him over the summer. Now, unless he does the right thing (mans up and admits it, apologizes, gets counseling, etc.), I have no problem dumping his ass. Hell, even if he DOES do the right thing, I have no problem dumping his ass.

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Dude, it wasn't a bar fight with an obnoxious fan or anything like that. According to press reports, he assaulted a woman. Unless the circumstances were completely extraordinary (like she was threatening him with a gun), there are absolutely NO circumstances under which this is okay. None.

I was a fan of the pick and was hoping that they signed him over the summer. Now, unless he does the right thing (mans up and admits it, apologizes, gets counseling, etc.), I have no problem dumping his ass. Hell, even if he DOES do the right thing, I have no problem dumping his ass.
And it's worse coming on the heels of his suspension for the scrape with the referee, and the maturity concerns that existed well before we drafted him. I mean I hope the kid turns it around for his own sake, but I'm not sure I'd like to keep him in the organization unless he turns things around starting right now.

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Dude, it wasn't a bar fight with an obnoxious fan or anything like that. According to press reports, he assaulted a woman. Unless the circumstances were completely extraordinary (like she was threatening him with a gun), there are absolutely NO circumstances under which this is okay. None.

I was a fan of the pick and was hoping that they signed him over the summer. Now, unless he does the right thing (mans up and admits it, apologizes, gets counseling, etc.), I have no problem dumping his ass. Hell, even if he DOES do the right thing, I have no problem dumping his ass.
Innocent until proven guilty. It seems like you don't even know the story but are willing to crucify him based on what a journalist wrote.

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Innocent until proven guilty. It seems like you don't even know the story but are willing to crucify him based on what a journalist wrote.
Would your opinion of the guy change if he's found guilty?

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Innocent until proven guilty. It seems like you don't even know the story but are willing to crucify him based on what a journalist wrote.
We're not a court of law, we don't have to presume innocence until proven guilty.

And I think weebles point is that this doesn't necessarily mean Doyle is a horrible person who will be a horrible person his entire life. He could get a clue and grow up and end up being a really good person who made some really stupid mistakes in his youth.

Whether or not his hockey career is done with (hint, it's not. Billy Tibbits got plenty of chances), I would hope that Doyle gets himself together and can put this kind of behavior behind him

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Innocent until proven guilty. It seems like you don't even know the story but are willing to crucify him based on what a journalist wrote.
Nice try, chief - your initial comment was all about "hey, he just had an altercation, big deal." I call you out for the fact that he didn't just "have an altercation," he punched a girl in the face, and you switch tacts to "innocent until proven guilty." That was NOT the point you were originally making; what you were originally saying was it's no big deal. A man, particularly an athlete like Doyle (I mean, seriously, have you seen youtube clips of him fighting?), assaulting a woman is ALWAYS a big deal.

What the journalist wrote is based on the PEI police blotter. The victim and was a female, 21 year old and she has documented injuries of a broken nose and multiple lacerations that required stitches. Are there circumstances involving a 19 year old 6'0" 200lb athlete and a young woman who receives these injuries where the athlete is innocent? Maybe a few... but not many.

I agree in general with the concept of innocence until guilt is proven. However, the circumstances look pretty grim as described above. Furthermore, this event is right on the heels of a four game suspension for tripping a linesman. And THAT was on the heels of disturbing scouting reports in his draft year that caused him to fall to the 5th round, when his talent level alone would have justified a much higher pick.

Not good. Period.

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For the record, I really hope that he does do the right thing and does turn it around. (Heck, he was one of my favorite longshot prospects.) But as of right now, it just doesn't look good.

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It's true we don't know about the woman either--whether she even did something that triggered Doyle's attack. Even so--that reaction is unacceptable and says quite a lot about Doyle's personality which is what the Rangers should be looking at. We don't have that much invested in this guy--he's a 5th round pick with on ice and off ice issues. We have other mid round picks with similar skillsets that don't have these kinds of issues--such as a Max Campbell. Better to go with guys like that.

If he really has some kind of future someone else will give him a chance.

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Do we know Pat Kane? Because if not, that's quite unfair.
Well we know what he did, and we know that he is a darn good hockeyplayer.

Thats basically the key on this subject.

Is Doyle a a-hole? Possibly.

Does it matter? I don't know if I care to be honest. Why? Because I don't have any illusions that all the players I like on the ice are saints of the ice, instead several probably are real pigs as husbands/fathers/friends and what not. Like thats how it is with the rest of the populations and why should hockeyplayers be diffrent?

Maybe I am synical, but I don't think Doyle have a smaller chance to make to the NHL today then I did a month ago. Maybe its even the other way around, he is a pig -- good then he have alot of emotions atlest...

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Well we know what he did, and we know that he is a darn good hockeyplayer.

Thats basically the key on this subject.

Is Doyle a a-hole? Possibly.

Does it matter? I don't know if I care to be honest. Why? Because I don't have any illusions that all the players I like on the ice are saints of the ice, instead several probably are real pigs as husbands/fathers/friends and what not. Like thats how it is with the rest of the populations and why should hockeyplayers be diffrent?

Maybe I am synical, but I don't think Doyle have a smaller chance to make to the NHL today then I did a month ago. Maybe its even the other way around, he is a pig -- good then he have alot of emotions atlest...
You're absolutely right that the personalities of hockey players mirror the diverse personalites to be found in society as a whole and there will be numerous *******s among them like you would find anywhere.

It's a little different though when things spill out into a public sphere--and punching a young woman--breaking her nose and causing lacerations is way beyond the beyond. Violence against women and children--even animals is a no-no for good reason. I know there are a lot of Rangers fans--and some posters here--that have gotten a big kick in the past from regurgitating stories about Denis Potvin or Martin Brodeur's private lives when some of their actions went public. Those incidents are a little bit tame in comparison.

Doyle still may have a future--I'd let him have it with sombebody else.

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I think no matter what when there's a female mentioned and a male on the other side of the altercation there's always going to be this type of discussion, the girl is always deemed right.

Doyle will be roasted no matter what the scenario unless his life was threatened, sorry but thats the way it goes. Even people (like most of us) who weren't there will draw their conclusions on his character.

HE hasn't been around long enough to build a reputation. HE's started off with a bad one thats hard to shake. Sather really needs to avoid a headache and let this kid go hopefully a lesson is learned.


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hes in a bad spot.

punching a chick isnt cool. no matter the reason, he didnt have to strike her. hes a friggin hockey player for cryin out loud. what he did was wrong.

reminds me of eric devendorf, the su guard who left early last year. he was pretty much asked to leave early because he had an altercation with a female student on the su campus. the amount of hate thrown at him was surprising given he was a very good player. didnt matter, he became a pariah.

no matter what happens to doyle in the courts, hes toast with this organization. i mean, hes a borderline prospect anyway and now with questionable character hes beyond a longshot

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I was not at this incident and have no more information about it than any of you. However, even before this, there were problems for the organization as respects Doyle.

Doyle was drafted by New York as a potential power play specialist. There were always questions about his defense, and he was not seen as having real two-way potential. The Rangers took a chance on this player in the fifth round, and by the time the draft gets to that round, every kid selected has one issue or another, and is a long-shot to make the show.

One of the issues Doyle has had is a tough upbringing. Where you come from, i.e., bloodlines, has always been very important in hockey and you hear it a lot in the trenches, ala "he has good bloodlines" or "he comes from a good family." While I have at times laughed at this myself and am not here to argue whether this is right or wrong, hockey folk take this very seriously. And Doyle had family issues growing up, which, according to what I was told, were not of his own making. But even though they are not of his own making, it has affected who he is and how he responds to the world.

The Rangers knew this and have been accepting of him, hoping that he will mature, grow into a professional attitude and move into adulthood. But the two incidents over the past 5-6 weeks have cast doubts upon this happening. Doyle has allegedly pushed a referee and within a month after that, he allegedly assaulted at least one woman.

Although I do think that we should wait to hear what happened as respects this latest incident until the trial, I believe that the whole mess will not be looked upon kindly by the Rangers. There are only so many chances a player gets, and Doyle may have run out of them with this organization. I would be shocked if the Rangers signed him to an ELC before their rights to him expired this coming June.

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