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10-04-2009, 12:02 PM
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So, you're telling that there is over 200 better d-men in the NHL than MAB right now ?

No way !

The guy can be an effective 6th d-man with PP mission anytime. he was +5 last year in Minny.
I know you well enough to know that the main reason you like him is he was born in Trois Rivieres,Qc. He is a HUGE defensive liability and the way the Habs are giving up 35+ shots per game, there in NO way in hell that he will play in Montreal.

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10-04-2009, 12:05 PM
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Would prefer Liles, but I guess one year at a cheap rate wouldn't totally suck. I don't know what we'd have to trade to get Liles. But like others have said, promoting someone from within is probably the most appealing option to me.

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10-04-2009, 12:07 PM
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Tyler Seguin k thx

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also hes doing it by himself as opposed to Hall who has linemates


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10-04-2009, 12:24 PM
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I wouldn't mind signing MAB. We can still call up Weber.

We need 2 defensemen right now, calling up two guys from hamilton might not be a good idea.
We need 1.

Gill, Mara, Hamrlik, Spacek, Gorges, other one.

Other one = Weber.

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10-04-2009, 12:28 PM
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We need 1.

Gill, Mara, Hamrlik, Spacek, Gorges, other one.

Other one = Weber.
Can we really keep 6 defensemen only, including a rookie? There can still be injuries, or guys missing a game or two with the flu so theres a risk of us being stuck with 5 D. MAB could play on the 4th line and PP a-la 07-08 Streit and go on defense if there is a problem.


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10-04-2009, 12:29 PM
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We need 1.

Gill, Mara, Hamrlik, Spacek, Gorges, other one.

Other one = Weber.
We need 7d in case of another injury. Hell we need them before the team leaves for Calgary.

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10-04-2009, 12:29 PM
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Can we really keep 6 defensemen only, including a rookie? There can still be injuries, or guys missing a game or two with the flu.
No, all teams carry at least 7 D in case of an illness or sudden injury so they don't risk only dressing 5 D one game.

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10-04-2009, 12:32 PM
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IMO, at a 1-year deal for cheap, it doesn't bother me.

Just as long as he's used solely as a PP specialist, and sees little time on Even Strength (maybe with a solid defender like Gorges or Hamrlik, maybe even Gill), and NO time on the PK

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10-04-2009, 12:33 PM
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you have to think he would take a dirt cheap 1 yr deal just to play

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BTW he was a plus 5 last year, so im not gonna pretend i watched him play much, but horrible defensively and a plus 5 arent usually in the same category. markov was a -2, what was he then?
You might be killing your own arguement by showing how airy the +/- stat is. But you're right, I don't think MAB is as bad defensively as most people think. He is not that big or physical and that limits what he can do in his own zone. But he is almost a 0.5 a game NHL point man, so he does bring something to the table overall.

My sense as to why he hasn't been signed yet is that he and his agent were asking for too much money early in the UFA season (I'm sure I read this on the Wild board)and many teams who might have been interested at lower rates moved on and filled their roster with other options.

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10-04-2009, 12:36 PM
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Tyler Seguin k thx

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also hes doing it by himself as opposed to Hall who has linemates
Wow Really? I only know about Hall in this draft.

What kind of player is Seguin? Potential?

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10-04-2009, 12:36 PM
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We have plenty of D who are horrible in their own zones all the time or sometimes and nobody seems to care that much. I say bring him in, if you're not going to bring in PK.

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IMO, at a 1-year deal for cheap, it doesn't bother me.

Just as long as he's used solely as a PP specialist, and sees little time on Even Strength (maybe with a solid defender like Gorges or Hamrlik, maybe even Gill), and NO time on the PK
a defensemen with 32 points in his last season should be worth MILLIONS.Some reason still a UFA.....(speaks loudly)

if he comes realllllly reallly cheap i can swallow .....

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10-04-2009, 12:44 PM
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Can we really keep 6 defensemen only, including a rookie? There can still be injuries, or guys missing a game or two with the flu so theres a risk of us being stuck with 5 D. MAB could play on the 4th line and PP a-la 07-08 Streit and go on defense if there is a problem.
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We need 7d in case of another injury. Hell we need them before the team leaves for Calgary.
We've been carrying 6 d so far this year. Then again, with the string of bad luck someone is bound to be hurt next game too.

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10-04-2009, 12:50 PM
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We've been carrying 6 d so far this year. Then again, with the string of bad luck someone is bound to be hurt next game too.
Markov
Hamrlik
Spacek
Mara
Gorges
Gill
O'Byrne

Thats 7. Hamrlik was out of game one with the flu, Markov went down for game 2 and no one was called up yet so we had 6D for exactly one game.

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10-04-2009, 12:54 PM
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Wow Really? I only know about Hall in this draft.

What kind of player is Seguin? Potential?
Not sure, I heard of him before but this year he seems to be on a tear, Mackenzie still thinks that Hall will likely go first but Seguin is giving him a run for his money, as for potential neither are a crosby or ovechkin but I would put money that both him and Hall could end up being a first line elite winger(hall)/ elite Center (seguin). Regardless the top five in this draft are something special as it includes Hall, Seguin, Fowler, Kabanov and Macfarland.

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Markov
Hamrlik
Spacek
Mara
Gorges
Gill
O'Byrne

Thats 7. Hamrlik was out of game one with the flu, Markov went down for game 2 and no one was called up yet so we had 6D for exactly one game.

check Spacek health record. .....odds are the boys from the AHL will be busy this season making trips up and down ...

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10-04-2009, 12:57 PM
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Every team are carrying at least 7 d-men - one extra d-man- in case an injury occurs, or any other event on or off the ice.

Right now, the Habs have only 5. call ups or/and a UFA signing or/and a trade must happen before next game on Tuesday.

What would you like ?

Weber and Carle
Weber and Belle
Weber and Subban

OR

Weber and MAB
Weber and Dandenault

OR a trade
Weber and ??????????????

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10-04-2009, 01:02 PM
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I think bringing in Marc-Andre Bergeron is by far the most attractive of the options we are currently looking at.

Nobody in the AHL is ready to play for an extended stretch. I could handle Weber filling in on spot duty, but not for an exteded stretch. For his development, he needs to be logging big minutes and quarterbacking a powerplay. That he can do in the AHL, but if he were up here, he would spend a lot of nights on the wing and working PP time, or scratched as the seventh defenseman.

As usual, the bulk of this board have indicated - quite clearly - that they really don't have the faintest idea about players from other teams. We saw this with Schneider and Lang last year, and here we go again.

Bergeron is a fantastic skater (in fact, he would step in and be the best skater on the Habs blueline) and has a blistering slapshot that clocks in a 103 MPH. He is undersized and lacks grit, but he wouldn't be brought in for either of those duties. On a year cheap deal, this would be a decent band-aid with very little chance of back-firing - if he doesn't work out, you waive him and look for another option.

I hope this contract gets signed as soon as possible. This is a good fit.

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10-04-2009, 01:03 PM
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I can't believe how many people keep mentionning P.K. as a possible call-up...

IT'S NOT HAPPENING. He NEEDS AHL time. Most of you agree Pacioretty shouldn't be in the NHL, so why do the same with Subban when we have other options?

MAB would be an OK stopgap on the cheap. At least he has some highly useful PP skills. Of course he's bad defensively, why do you think he's still unsigned?

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10-04-2009, 01:04 PM
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Apparently MAB's defensive game improved somewhat whilst playing with Minnesota.

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10-04-2009, 01:11 PM
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I think bringing in Marc-Andre Bergeron is by far the most attractive of the options we are currently looking at.

Nobody in the AHL is ready to play for an extended stretch. I could handle Weber filling in on spot duty, but not for an exteded stretch. For his development, he needs to be logging big minutes and quarterbacking a powerplay. That he can do in the AHL, but if he were up here, he would spend a lot of nights on the wing and working PP time, or scratched as the seventh defenseman.

As usual, the bulk of this board have indicated - quite clearly - that they really don't have the faintest idea about players from other teams. We saw this with Schneider and Lang last year, and here we go again.

Bergeron is a fantastic skater (in fact, he would step in and be the best skater on the Habs blueline) and has a blistering slapshot that clocks in a 103 MPH. He is undersized and lacks grit, but he wouldn't be brought in for either of those duties. On a year cheap deal, this would be a decent band-aid with very little chance of back-firing - if he doesn't work out, you waive him and look for another option.

I hope this contract gets signed as soon as possible. This is a good fit.
I agree that he won't cost anything - but his salary- and that he is bringing NHL experience and excellent PP skills...

But we need also another d-man to replace O'Byrne.

If you bring Weber, it is counter productive because we would already have MAB.

Who else could be called up, signed or acquired through a minor trade ?

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Apparently MAB's defensive game improved somewhat whilst playing with Minnesota.
Maybe Gainey should call his buddies Lemaire or Risebrough and check out.

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I know you well enough to know that the main reason you like him is he was born in Trois Rivieres,Qc. He is a HUGE defensive liability and the way the Habs are giving up 35+ shots per game, there in NO way in hell that he will play in Montreal.
You're right. If his name was Mark-Andrew Butcher, Canadian Errant wouldn't be pimping him.

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You're right. If his name was Mark-Andrew Butcher, Canadian Errant wouldn't be pimping him.
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