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10-04-2009, 01:15 PM
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Maybe Gainey should call his buddies Lemaire or Risebrough and check out.
Or the hundreds of pro-scouts around the league who advised their GM's not to pursue MAB.

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10-04-2009, 01:18 PM
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Keep going rednecks !
So being unbiased equals redneck?

Sorry but we've read too many of your posts. Your personal agenda has taken a toll on your credibility. It's too bad because I do think you understand hockey. However, you're blinded by your own bias.

Marc-Andre Bergeron is terrible defensively.

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Yes please. He's pretty much a younger Schnieder.

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No thanks, the guy is bad defensively which is not something we can afford to have on this team. We're already giving up an insane number of shots.

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Yes please. He's pretty much a younger Schnieder.
Are you kidding me? When was Schneider ever unemployed?

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why in the world would we bring him in when Weber is *clearly* ready for the NHL. Even if he wasn't it'd still be good experience for him or Carle. It's not like we're going for the cup either..

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10-04-2009, 01:38 PM
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Are you kidding me? When was Schneider ever unemployed?
He was playing in Atlanta, pretty much the same thing. Bergeron can run a PP, hell play him on the fourth line if you need too.

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10-04-2009, 01:52 PM
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Or the hundreds of pro-scouts around the league who advised their GM's not to pursue MAB.
Hundreds of pro scouts advised their GMs not to sign Marc-Andre Bergeron? Care to share how it is that you know that?

Perhaps the reason he is currently unsigned is because his agent miscalculated the market? At 28 years old, coming off a solid season, Bergeron might have been adamant that he was signing a mult-year deal and refused offers of one or two years holding out for a longer pact, only to find no chair left to sit on when the music stopped.

To pretend that he's strictly unsigned because "hundreds of pro-scouts...advised their GM's not to pursue MAB" is you trying to fabricate facts to forward your own agenda. The reality is, you don't have a clue why he's unsigned, and you've fabricated your own conclusion.

His point totals and plus rating, skating and shooting skills, not to mention a career that saw him as a top four defenseman on a Cup Finalist indicate that these imaginary pro scouts you're talking about would have to be idiotic to arrive at the conclusion. To suggest - as somone did in this thread - that he's not an NHL calibre defenseman is the same thing as saying "I don't really follow the NHL."

Why not share your opinon about the player and make your own argument instead of pretending your opinon is somehow backed up by a legion of NHL scouts? Do you really think people won't notice your just making it up?

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10-04-2009, 01:59 PM
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Aside from being French, I don't know what Bergeron has to offer that we don't already have. There's a reason why this guy was passed by all 30 teams up until now and it hasn't changed!

I'd much, much rather give a shot at Weber, Carle or Subban if it boils down to that but my very first option would be to call other teams for a top 4 defenseman, see what could be available.

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10-04-2009, 02:00 PM
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why in the world would we bring him in when Weber is *clearly* ready for the NHL. Even if he wasn't it'd still be good experience for him or Carle. It's not like we're going for the cup either..
Personally I think Weber could benefit from another year in Hamilton, I hate to see us rush these guys, but it's a tough call as I was hoping Pacioretty would be in the AHL this year as well, but injures have hit hard again already so it puts some strain on the club. I would hope they don't look to Carle either unless it's a short term thing, but either way Gainey has to do something.

As for not winning the cup, that's a bad way to look at it imo, no matter what you want to dress the best lineup you can. If Gainey thinks that it's Weber or Carle then so be it. I wouldn't mind seeing Weber up for some games, but not as a full time replacement to the loss of Markov and O'B.

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10-04-2009, 02:03 PM
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You couldn't possibly think Carle will get the call before Weber.

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I'd like to see Webber before signing UFA's. He played well last year and did even better in the playoffs. I think his poise with the puck and responsible defencive game makes him a better option then MAB.

For anyone who says he's not ready, well he looked pretty good last year and the Habs thought he played well enough to play him in against Boston. I say wait and lets try inside our oganization before signing outside players.

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10-04-2009, 02:06 PM
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He was playing in Atlanta, pretty much the same thing. Bergeron can run a PP, hell play him on the fourth line if you need too.
He'd be in the NHL already and not bouncing all over the place if this was true.

I look at guys like Valentanko and Yemelin that pretty much would have had spots on this team right now because of these injuries, its not only Sergei K who has made their bed and now have to sleep in it because they want "guarantees" to play....ironically they are all Russians (Belarus I know, but same thing).

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10-04-2009, 02:23 PM
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Aside from being French, I don't know what Bergeron has to offer that we don't already have. There's a reason why this guy was passed by all 30 teams up until now and it hasn't changed!

I'd much, much rather give a shot at Weber, Carle or Subban if it boils down to that but my very first option would be to call other teams for a top 4 defenseman, see what could be available.
what mab has to offer is that we wouldnt have to see mara or gorges on the pp. Infact, I would say that he immediately becomes the habs best pp option.

the other thing is that the habs can be more flexible on a contract offer to mab since he doesnt have alot of leverage at this point. The flexibility is a must since he wont be required when markov is back and the cap will be tight too.

Having said all that, his defensive zone play scares me alot. But at this point, the habs should be in wait and see mode. The first avenue is to explore weber/carle. If they cant play up to par, then you start looking at the mab types.

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I'd like to see Webber before signing UFA's. He played well last year and did even better in the playoffs. I think his poise with the puck and responsible defencive game makes him a better option then MAB.

For anyone who says he's not ready, well he looked pretty good last year and the Habs thought he played well enough to play him in against Boston. I say wait and lets try inside our oganization before signing outside players.
The concern for me is that he's still inexperienced and I don't want us to rush anyone. Had we not of had the injuries, a full year in Hamilton might be really good for him to round out his defensive play and hopefully get a little stronger. I hate to see us rush our top prospects as I don't want to see the blacklash we saw with Price, Latendresse, S.Kostitsyn, O'B, around here last year if things don't go as we hope.

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10-04-2009, 02:27 PM
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He was playing in Atlanta, pretty much the same thing. Bergeron can run a PP, hell play him on the fourth line if you need too.
Wow wow wow wow wow wow.

You think Schneider playing for Atlanta is like being unemployed, and you think MAB can play on the fourth line.

Do I need to add anything, or is it painfully obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about?

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what mab has to offer is that we wouldnt have to see mara or gorges on the pp. Infact, I would say that he immediately becomes the habs best pp option.

the other thing is that the habs can be more flexible on a contract offer to mab since he doesnt have alot of leverage at this point. The flexibility is a must since he wont be required when markov is back and the cap will be tight too.

Having said all that, his defensive zone play scares me alot. But at this point, the habs should be in wait and see mode. The first avenue is to explore weber/carle. If they cant play up to par, then you start looking at the mab types.
I'd rather see a rookie like Subban make mistakes than seeing a veteran do the same. I'd give him, Weber or Carle a shot before any of the UFA's available.

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He's pretty much a PP specialist. And I don't care if anyone says otherwise..he's horrible in his own zone.
horrible?...........he is way beyond that.......puke

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ironically they are all Russians (Belarus I know, but same thing).
How would you feel if someone said the United States and Canada were "the same thing?"

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Souray's defensively play here = MAB's.

Will MAB score 20+ goals, **** no, but will he play as many minutes as Souray ? I hope the **** not.

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The concern for me is that he's still inexperienced and I don't want us to rush anyone. Had we not of had the injuries, a full year in Hamilton might be really good for him to round out his defensive play and hopefully get a little stronger. I hate to see us rush our top prospects as I don't want to see the blacklash we saw with Price, Latendresse, S.Kostitsyn, O'B, around here last year if things don't go as we hope.
I agree rushing him would be bad, but he'll get a lot more experience up here then down there. I think he's more NHL readythen Max Pac is to be honest. Besides, is there really an "ideal" time to bring up a plater? Most times you throw them in and see what they can do, if they're not ready you send them back down for more experience.

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I'd rather see a rookie like Subban make mistakes than seeing a veteran do the same. I'd give him, Weber or Carle a shot before any of the UFA's available.
Subban is not even an option to me this season unless another 2 d-men go down.

I wouldnt rush this guy as he's still very raw defensively. Its not worth the risk of damaging him in the long term as I consider him the habs best prospect.


as bad as mab is defensively (or any other veteran that gainey looks at), he wont be nearly as mistake prone and overwhelmed as pk would be. You are essentially putting him directly into the fire from the chl to the nhl. I wouldn't recommend that route of development for most d-men.

One step at a time for pk, use the depth on defense to let subban develop at his own pace. The jump from chl to ahl is big enough for a d-man.

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Spacek-Hamrlik
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Could be nice. More experience than Weber.

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I have no objection to Bergeron at all on a one year, 500k and ideally two-way contract.

He would be great press box fodder for the next 4 months. Better than having Henry, Benoit or one of the kids sitting down.

While O'Byrne is out, play Weber. If Weber isn't good to stay, send him back when O'B is better. When Markov is back, throw Bergeron into the AHL. Good insurance come April, sure to clear waivers and provides us a dimension we don't have with Markov out (if one of the kids doesn't step up). Plus, he'd be dynamite for Hamilton.

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