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10-04-2009, 07:36 PM
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After reading this, there's really no point to continue to read this post. Once again, you are passing off your OPINON as FACT.

Let me ask you a question: Do you really think Bergeron didn't receive a single contract offer all summer?

He scored 14 goals last year, as a defenseman, on a defense-first team. He posted 32 points. Even for a second, do you believe that not one of the GMs didn't offer him a contract? You really don't think asking price was an issue? Honestly? Cause I've read your posts here for a long time, and I know you're not one of the dumb ones.
Exactly. He probably just hasn't gotten offered anything good. I mean seriously, If you produced the way he did last year, would you take a 1 million a year contract? Would you not expect say, at least half of what mark streit got? He'll probably end up taking less than what he thinks he deserves but, He's obviously received offers. After all, if Jeff Finger can get a contract...

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If it doesn't work out with Weber or Carle, I guess we can't be wrong with signing him if he is asking less then 1.5 millions. He deserves a chance...
Why does he deserve a chance ? Because he is born in Quebec or just because he is so good ?

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10-04-2009, 08:09 PM
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10-04-2009, 08:28 PM
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If it doesn't work out with Weber or Carle, I guess we can't be wrong with signing him if he is asking less then 1.5 millions. He deserves a chance...
If it doesn't work out with Weber or Carle, I then give Subban his chance to shine before I even remotely consider signing Bergeron.

Those who hide behind his stats last year saying that maybe he was asking too much, it simply doesn't add up. Tanguay was asking too much. Sykora was asking too much. Notice that all of those who were asking too much are now signed at rebate? Why do you think Bergeron is still out of work? Because he's just not that good and he's a liability back there even with his PP potential, that's why! Think people... if he scores 14 and costs you 15, are you better off?

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10-04-2009, 08:40 PM
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so no one needed his services but we do.
isn't there a better option?
Well there are tons of options. All of them involve trading players/picks/prospect for them.

Personally, I'd just stick with Weber.

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10-04-2009, 08:57 PM
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For a guy who's supposed to be godawful defensively, he had a very good Corsi (a measure of puck possession ability, shot prevention, and shot generation) over the last couple of years. Not a guy you want to be handling tough minutes though, but it seems like he can help your team have the puck. Maybe a good match for a guy who's got good defensive coverage but mediocre passing skills -- let Gill get the puck, pass it to Bergeron, who then transitions it.

Looks like a good fit to me, especially for cheap. I could care less about where the guy's from, but he does have interesting stats and peripherals.

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10-04-2009, 09:02 PM
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Why does he deserve a chance ? Because he is born in Quebec or just because he is so good ?
Even if his name was Henrik Samuelsson and he was from Sweden I would give him a chance. If it doesn't work out well, too bad, he won't be back next year.

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I think you give Weber/Carle 5 games approximately to play and prove what they're made of. If they clearly aren't ready for the NHL you can give MAB a call.

He would probably come in at less than 1 million and we can always waive him later in the season if necessary.

For now though, you have to give Weber his shot at playing regular minutes and playing on the PP. He's earned it and he looked good in limited time last year.

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Well there are tons of options. All of them involve trading players/picks/prospect for them.

Personally, I'd just stick with Weber.
yea me too

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Exactly. He probably just hasn't gotten offered anything good. I mean seriously, If you produced the way he did last year, would you take a 1 million a year contract? Would you not expect say, at least half of what mark streit got? He'll probably end up taking less than what he thinks he deserves but, He's obviously received offers. After all, if Jeff Finger can get a contract...
he did? and how come no contracts?
So the guy refuses to sign for less money, maybe get a one year contract to prove he is good and decides to not play at all and get no money at all, GMs forget he ever existed and never play again.
He hasn't received any offers because he is not good. Remember how overrated Dandy was in Montreal and he is in the same situation.

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Exactly. He probably just hasn't gotten offered anything good. I mean seriously, If you produced the way he did last year, would you take a 1 million a year contract? Would you not expect say, at least half of what mark streit got? He'll probably end up taking less than what he thinks he deserves but, He's obviously received offers. After all, if Jeff Finger can get a contract...
sorry dude but ARE YOU SERIOUS?

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Well there are tons of options. All of them involve trading players/picks/prospect for them.

Personally, I'd just stick with Weber.
Yea I would stick with Weber too tbh. But if Weber can't keep up at some point, that's going to be a tough call what to do next, we can't play musical chairs with players.

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10-04-2009, 10:25 PM
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Exactly. He probably just hasn't gotten offered anything good. I mean seriously, If you produced the way he did last year, would you take a 1 million a year contract? Would you not expect say, at least half of what mark streit got? He'll probably end up taking less than what he thinks he deserves but, He's obviously received offers. After all, if Jeff Finger can get a contract...
SEASON TEAM GP GA P +/- PIM PP SH GW S S%
2003-2004 Oilers 54 9 17 26 13 26 3 0 0
2003-2004 Toronto-AHL 17 4 3 7 4 23 2 0 2
2004-2005 Brynas-Sweden 10 3 2 5 72
2004-2005 Brynas-Sweden-Q 9 1 2 3 8
2005-2006 Oilers 75 15 20 35 3 38 8 0 1 144
10.4
2006-2007 Oilers 55 8 17 25 -9 28 6 0 3 111
7.2
2006-2007 Islanders 23 6 15 21 5 10 4 0 1 55
10.9
2007-2008 Islanders 46 9 9 18 -14 16 8 0 1 96
9.4
2007-2008 Ducks 9 0 1 1 -2 4 0 0 0 12
0.0
2008-2009 Wild 72 14 18 32 5 30 7 0 3 140
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NHL TOTALS 339 62 98 160 3 161 36 0 9 668
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Streit was way, WAY better. At least half of what Streit got? Don't think so.

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Exactly. He probably just hasn't gotten offered anything good. I mean seriously, If you produced the way he did last year, would you take a 1 million a year contract? Would you not expect say, at least half of what mark streit got? He'll probably end up taking less than what he thinks he deserves but, He's obviously received offers. After all, if Jeff Finger can get a contract...
The Oilers traded him to the Islanders who traded him to the Ducks who traded him to the Wild who let him walk despite a 32 points season.

No team wants to keep him, why do you think that is?

If he received an offer, he'd take it. Beggars can't be choosers.

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SEASON TEAM GP GA P +/- PIM PP SH GW S S%
2003-2004 Oilers 54 9 17 26 13 26 3 0 0
2003-2004 Toronto-AHL 17 4 3 7 4 23 2 0 2
2004-2005 Brynas-Sweden 10 3 2 5 72
2004-2005 Brynas-Sweden-Q 9 1 2 3 8
2005-2006 Oilers 75 15 20 35 3 38 8 0 1 144
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2006-2007 Oilers 55 8 17 25 -9 28 6 0 3 111
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2006-2007 Islanders 23 6 15 21 5 10 4 0 1 55
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2007-2008 Islanders 46 9 9 18 -14 16 8 0 1 96
9.4
2007-2008 Ducks 9 0 1 1 -2 4 0 0 0 12
0.0
2008-2009 Wild 72 14 18 32 5 30 7 0 3 140
10.0
NHL TOTALS 339 62 98 160 3 161 36 0 9 668
9.3

Streit was way, WAY better. At least half of what Streit got? Don't think so.

2005-2006 MON 48 2 9 11 -6 28 52 3.8 2 6 0 0 0 14:36 63:40
2006-2007 MON 76 10 26 36 -5 14 102 9.8 2 12 1 0 1 14:01 29:35
2007-2008 MON 81 13 49 62 -6 28 165 7.9 7 27 0 0 3 17:31 22:53


Those are Streit's stats before he got signed to the big contract last year. Yeah WAY BETTER. Sure buddy. I'm not sure why everyone's so scared of getting consistent goal production from a point man on the PP.

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We can't have Carle as a 7th defenseman. We need to bring a veteran if O'Byrne is down for an extended period of time.

I'm sure there's one around the corner somewhere....or Gainey go for the home-run but we are too tight in cap space to think about Liles or Campbell IMO.

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The Oilers traded him to the Islanders who traded him to the Ducks who traded him to the Wild who let him walk despite a 32 points season.

No team wants to keep him, why do you think that is?

If he received an offer, he'd take it. Beggars can't be choosers.
Look i know +/- doesn't mean much but he couldn't have been horrible. +5 is still +5. Jacques Lemaire told him he was happy with the way he played, but unfortunately for him Lemaire left. Teams don't want to sign him because they dont want to give him the money his stats are worthy of. Its a new salary cap world and certain players get squeezed out. It happens. All i know is that he's a puck moving d-man that can score 15 goals a year. We have no Markov for like 4 months and are guys look a little slow out there. I think he could help.

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The Oilers traded him to the Islanders who traded him to the Ducks who traded him to the Wild who let him walk despite a 32 points season.

No team wants to keep him, why do you think that is?
Traded to the Penguins who traded him to the Kings who traded him to the Red Wings who traded him to the Whalers who traded him to the Flyers who dealt him to Chicago who swapped him to the Carolina who let him walk. (Then he signed in Boston.)

That's Paul Coffey. I guess no team wanted to keep him, huh? What exactly is your point?

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If he received an offer, he'd take it. Beggars can't be choosers.
Defencemen who score 16 goals in a season aren't beggars in today's NHL. He's no star, but to pretend he's begging for a job and has zero value on the market is misguided in my opinion.


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Can't wait to see Weber in action. At least after a few games we'll be able to tell if that situation is viable. Gonna be tough to start out against Calgary and Vancouver. He's gonna have to handle the physicality and I foresee him having trouble along the boards with the forecheckers. He's gonna have to get to the puck well in advance. Fortunately he's relatively quick.

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2005-2006 MON 48 2 9 11 -6 28 52 3.8 2 6 0 0 0 14:36 63:40
2006-2007 MON 76 10 26 36 -5 14 102 9.8 2 12 1 0 1 14:01 29:35
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Those are Streit's stats before he got signed to the big contract last year. Yeah WAY BETTER. Sure buddy. I'm not sure why everyone's so scared of getting consistent goal production from a point man on the PP.
Fine, granted, Streit isn't way better than MAB, still is better imo. I for one thought good of Streit he did cause turn overs, but I seem to remember less than the general public here.
Either way, how do we fit him? (honestly I don't know what our cap is)
Besides, we need to give chances to younger players imo, its a gamble. But this is how you see what your young core can do (kind of like Pens last year).

I'm not too sold on MAB, but if we can get him cheap, considering we have cap space left, sure, this I never denied.

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I think with Weber coming up that should help to subside the rumors. I believe MAB talked to the Habs, doesn't mean anything is going to come out of it. Just means the agent was trying to take advantage of our situation for his client.

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Defencemen who score 16 goals in a season aren't beggars in today's NHL. He's no star, but to pretend he's begging for a job and has zero value on the market is misguided in my opinion.
I see where you're getting at, but it's hard to justify the guy's value considering he is still unemployed. What's ironic is that MAB scored 14 goals last year, which puts him 14th among all NHL defencemen and that was not enough to land him a job. With the kind of numbers he put on, he should have been the target of many teams and easily been able to sign a multi-year contract, but this has not been the case.

Why is that? Well, seems like there are two possible reasons:

A) Marc-Andre Bergeron and his agent are plainly dumb, thinking that he was worth a lot more than his true market value

B) Marc-Andre Bergeron can be more of a defensive liability than he is of an offensive threat

The answer is a mix of the two IMO. In order for A) to have happened, B) unfortunately had to apply.

I personally would prefer the team to see what Weber and Carle can do before going after MAB. Signing him would be a last resort, desperate kind of move, it would show that the organization do not have confidence in the kids.

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Marc-Andre Bergeron is doing a Sundin?

Is this why he is still a UFA?

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He has some great numbers for a D-man

I say get him if he comes cheap.

Why not?

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