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How will the lineup change when Avery returns?

View Poll Results: What happens when Avery returns?
Avery plays 4th line LW, Voros/Brashear sits depending on the opponent. 13 9.70%
Avery plays 4th line C, Boyle sits. 2 1.49%
Avery plays 3rd line C, Anisimov to 4th line, Boyle sits. 7 5.22%
Avery plays 3rd line C, Anisimov returns to HFD, no one sits. 1 0.75%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Higgins sits. 0 0%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Higgins to 4th line LW, Voros/Brashear sits. 2 1.49%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Lisin to 3rd line RW, Kotalik sits. 4 2.99%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Lisin to 3rd line RW, Kotalik to 4th line RW, Voros/Brashear sits. 20 14.93%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Lisin sits. 24 17.91%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Lisin to 4th line LW, Voros/Brashear sits. 53 39.55%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Prospal to 3rd line C, Anisimov moves to 4th line, Boyle sits. 8 5.97%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Prospal to 3rd line C, Anisimov returns to HFD. 0 0%
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10-05-2009, 08:22 AM
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How will the lineup change when Avery returns?

Well, we're finally getting close - apparently, barring an injury in the game tonight, Torts will have the full contingent of players to work with on Thursday night. When the music stops somebody will be left without a chair. Given that Avery plays either LW or C and there are certain givens in this lineup (i.e. Gabby is playing RW on the top line, there's no scenario in which Dubi sits, etc.) I can see 12 possible scenarios. Admittedly, some are more probable than others. I'm curious to see how everyone thinks the lineup will shake out.

Note: I've listed the possible scenarios alphabetically by player's name, so please don't read anything into the order of the choices.

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voros sits, lisin moves down, but keeps PP time.

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10-05-2009, 08:28 AM
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voros sits, lisin moves down, but keeps PP time.
lisin sits. He has done nothing to stat in the line up. Avery to the third line

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10-05-2009, 08:30 AM
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Prospal-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Higgins-Drury-Callahan
Avery-Anisimov-Kotalik
Brashear-Boyle-Lisin/Voros

I'm in the group that would like to try Avery with Dubinsky and Gaborik, and I think we'll eventually see that, but I doubt straightaway. Also, keep in mind, Avery won't be at 100%, even by Thursday -- he'll need a game or two under his belt.

By the way, our Avery record is up to 61-26-17.


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Took a while to finish the poll. It's up now.

As I said, a couple of options are clearly more likely than others, but I tried to include every possibility.

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10-05-2009, 08:48 AM
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Avery top 9 foward
Lisin to 4th line
Boyle sits.

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10-05-2009, 09:03 AM
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Voros sits. Lisin to fourth line RW. Avery to third line LW. Why no choice like that?

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As long as Voros sits and the top line stays intact, I don't care who else ends up where. Voros can't stay on his feet, the guy sucks, and the first line is dominating right now. Jumbling up the rest of the guys can't hurt a bit.

While we're on the topic of Voros, does anyone think that his making the team was at all a concession to his and Gaborik's friendship? Does anyone know anything about these guys off the ice, other than the fact that they know each other from Minnesota? I saw them getting off the subway together one day during the preseason and they looked like buds, and I'm really trying to understand why Voros is on this team given his contract to production ratio. I dunno...

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Voros sits. Lisin to fourth line RW. Avery to third line LW. Why no choice like that?
Honestly, I didn't think it was important to differentiate between which wing a player would play on on the fourth line - Torts will slot the more skilled player on whichever side is best for that player and then clearly Voros/Brashear plays the opposite wing, whatever it may be.

Lisin has traditionally been a RW, but they've been playing him on LW this year. If he gets shifted back to fourth line Torts may move him back to the right side... or he may want him to continue to learn the LW because he feels that that's where he'll play for this team in the future.

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lisin sits. He has done nothing to stat in the line up. Avery to the third line
Opposed to Voros of course, who dazzled us yet again with his seemingly unlimited hockey skill combined with dominating fights. I think we all agree that this team will win zero games without him in the lineup.

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Why wont Kotalik get bounced to the 4th? If anything his ES play seems lesser than both Lisin AND Voros... just sayin... of course he wont get benched, but, dropped into 4th and Voros sits... that's the plan I'd say.

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Considering Tortorella commented after Saturday's game that he is impressed with Lisin's play both 5v5 and on the PP, it's doubtful he will be demoted.

Avery will be on the 4th line to start.

Wouldn't count out Kotalik going to the 4th line, either, if his 5v5 play continues to be ineffective. With Avery playing on the 3rd line with Anisimov and Lisin.

The moment any of these lines start to show a reccess in chemistry, Tortorella will change them up, anyway.

Guys will be moving up and down the lineup all year.

Coming back from a knee injury, Avery won't get a ton of ice time to start.

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Why wont Kotalik get bounced to the 4th? If anything his ES play seems lesser than both Lisin AND Voros... just sayin... of course he wont get benched, but, dropped into 4th and Voros sits... that's the plan I'd say.
Uh, that option is there - in fact, it's the one I voted for!

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Kotalik has looked awful at even strength and Lisin has looked good and has much more potential. Drop Kotalik to fourth line, still give him powerplay time and put Avery on the third line.

Prospal-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Higgins-Drury-Callahan
Avery-Anisimov-Lisin
Brashear/Voros-Boyle-Kotalik

Don't understand why that wasn't an option

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Ha. Look at the trend I started =P

nah, j/p

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Kotalik has looked awful at even strength and Lisin has looked good and has much more potential. Drop Kotalik to fourth line, still give him powerplay time and put Avery on the third line.

Prospal-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Higgins-Drury-Callahan
Avery-Anisimov-Lisin
Brashear/Voros-Boyle-Kotalik

Don't understand why that wasn't an option
Oh, for the love of...

It was, dammit! Look at option #8.

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Kotalik has looked awful at even strength and Lisin has looked good and has much more potential. Drop Kotalik to fourth line, still give him powerplay time and put Avery on the third line.

Prospal-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Higgins-Drury-Callahan
Avery-Anisimov-Lisin
Brashear/Voros-Boyle-Kotalik

Don't understand why that wasn't an option
It was, dammit! Look at option #8.
Umm... no 8 says Avery plays a top 3 line LW, there should be an option that is Avery plays 3rd line LW but there isn't. The scenario I like may be included within 8 but so are some terrible choices to so there should be one that's more specific

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It's been proven that Avery is far too valuable to this team to be a 4th line winger.

The bottom line is that the guy helps this team, and he wont' be helping the team nearly as much if he's playing on the fourth line.

Put Avery with Anisimov and Kotalik.

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Umm... no 8 says Avery plays a top 3 line LW, there should be an option that is Avery plays 3rd line LW but there isn't. The scenario I like may be included within 8 but so are some terrible choices to so there should be one that's more specific
In order to show every possible permutation breaking down who plays where depending on whether Avery slots into the first, second or third line, I would've needed WAAAAAAAAAAAY more than the 15 total options that are the maximum allowed. I felt that this level of detail was sufficient since it captures the important point of who moves to make room for Sean - and, most importantly, who moves out of the lineup entirely.

Then, you can use your post to lay out EXACTLY how you'd like to see the players distributed (just as you did! ).

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i would think a team wouldnt sign a guy for 3 mil per year to play him on the 4th line.then again,this is the Rangers...

Avery to the 3rd line,Lisin to the 4th,Voros traded to the Flyers for a cheesesteak.

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i would think a team wouldnt sign a guy for 3 mil per year to play him on the 4th line.then again,this is the Rangers...

Avery to the 3rd line,Lisin to the 4th,Voros traded to the Flyers for a cheesesteak.
By that logic, why isn't Drury playing 1st line center and #1 PP unit?

Once the contracts are signed, they're signed. Then it's up to Torts who plays, where and for how many minutes. And he's demonstrated (thankfully!) that he'll ignore how much a player makes when making lineup decisions.

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Lisen is the odd man out but I wish it were Brashear. This team looks amazing. We don't need some clown on the ice taking a dumb penalty when we can least afford it. Voros, Boyle, Avery and, if necessary, Dubi can fight. Thats enough...

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By that logic, why isn't Drury playing 1st line center and #1 PP unit?

Once the contracts are signed, they're signed. Then it's up to Torts who plays, where and for how many minutes. And he's demonstrated (thankfully!) that he'll ignore how much a player makes when making lineup decisions.
because hes not a #1 center?

Kotalik wasnt signed to play 5 minutes a game even strength,with a few minutes of powerplay time.contract aside,i think hes played ok so far,which is why i suggested moving Lisin to the 4th line when Avery comes back.

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because hes not a #1 center?

Kotalik wasnt signed to play 5 minutes a game even strength,with a few minutes of powerplay time.contract aside,i think hes played ok so far,which is why i suggested moving Lisin to the 4th line when Avery comes back.
That may not be what he was signed to do, but some of us (to this point the second largest group of respondants) feel that's how he has played.

The reason I brought up Drury was that when they gave him that contract they clearly didn't sign him to play second fiddle to a 23 year old kid. But that's how he (and, to his credit, Dubinsky) have played.

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That may not be what he was signed to do, but some of us (to this point the second largest group of respondants) feel that's how he has played.
funny,cause i can recall hearing Kotaliks name alot more over the 1st 2 games then Lisins.i thought Kotalik has played decent.guess we will have to agree to disagree.either way,i just want to see Avery in the lineup,so to me,i dont care who drops down to the 4th line.

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