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How will the lineup change when Avery returns?

View Poll Results: What happens when Avery returns?
Avery plays 4th line LW, Voros/Brashear sits depending on the opponent. 13 9.70%
Avery plays 4th line C, Boyle sits. 2 1.49%
Avery plays 3rd line C, Anisimov to 4th line, Boyle sits. 7 5.22%
Avery plays 3rd line C, Anisimov returns to HFD, no one sits. 1 0.75%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Higgins sits. 0 0%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Higgins to 4th line LW, Voros/Brashear sits. 2 1.49%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Lisin to 3rd line RW, Kotalik sits. 4 2.99%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Lisin to 3rd line RW, Kotalik to 4th line RW, Voros/Brashear sits. 20 14.93%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Lisin sits. 24 17.91%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Lisin to 4th line LW, Voros/Brashear sits. 53 39.55%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Prospal to 3rd line C, Anisimov moves to 4th line, Boyle sits. 8 5.97%
Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Prospal to 3rd line C, Anisimov returns to HFD. 0 0%
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10-05-2009, 10:54 AM
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Tortorella had Avery skating with Anisimov and Kotalik in place of Lisin last week in practice. If Lisin does somehow get moved to the 4th line, I think he'll still see lots of PP time.

However, I would prefer for Kotalik to be benched or play on the 4th line. He hasn't shown much and it seems like his usefulness is limited to the PP and shootout. However, Andrew Gross mentioned that Kotalik realizes he needs to play better, so hopefully he can soon turn it around.

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10-05-2009, 10:56 AM
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Honestly, I didn't think it was important to differentiate between which wing a player would play on on the fourth line - Torts will slot the more skilled player on whichever side is best for that player and then clearly Voros/Brashear plays the opposite wing, whatever it may be.

Lisin has traditionally been a RW, but they've been playing him on LW this year. If he gets shifted back to fourth line Torts may move him back to the right side... or he may want him to continue to learn the LW because he feels that that's where he'll play for this team in the future.
In this case it will most likely be RW. Brashear is mostly listed as a LW and usually plays there. Don't like Lisin as LW on the fourth line.

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10-05-2009, 11:03 AM
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lisin sits. He has done nothing to stat in the line up. Avery to the third line
You should to start reading some of the coach's quotes about Lisin. There is nothing in anything Torts has said that suggests this is even remotely possible. If Torts wasn't happy with his game -- or at least the promise his game shows -- Lisin wouldn't be playing on the power play right now.


My prediction: Prospal moves to center (on either 1st or 3rd line), Anisimov moves to center the fourth, and Boyle sits.

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10-05-2009, 11:40 AM
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Prospal-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Higgins-Drury-Callahan
Avery-Anisimov-Kotalik
Brashear-Boyle-Lisin
I'm of the same mind-set here.

Lisin may not be on the score sheet, but he's played well and I've even seen Torts using him on the PK against Ottawa, even though it was just 36 seconds.

With the system that we are using, having his speed and and offensive ability on the team is going to benefit this team more than Voros toughness. Especially when Avery will be back in the line-up to provide that peskiness that we need.

I still think that Lisin is wasted on the 4th line, but better on the 4th line than in the press box.

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10-05-2009, 11:48 AM
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That may not be what he was signed to do, but some of us (to this point the second largest group of respondants) feel that's how he has played.

The reason I brought up Drury was that when they gave him that contract they clearly didn't sign him to play second fiddle to a 23 year old kid. But that's how he (and, to his credit, Dubinsky) have played.
I doubt that they had any preconcieved notion as to who was going to be playing where other than Drury playing 2nd line center behind Gomez.

They signed him to be exactly what he has been. A solid 2nd line player posting 2nd line number while providing leadership to this team.

Once they realized that the current structure wasn't working and they were going to move Gomez, I don't think that their expectations changed one bit in terms of his role on this team regardless of his contract.

Drury is not and never will be a 1st line player.

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10-05-2009, 11:49 AM
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I'm gonna say he might play 4th line for game one just to ease him in although I don't think torts would give him the nod if he feels he needs the ease. I think its going to be Sean on the 3rd line Lisin to the 4th

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10-05-2009, 12:05 PM
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They only important thing is that Voros is the player that sits. Who plays on which line will work itself out. Personally I'd put Kotalik on the 4th line. I don't care how much money he makes. He hasn't been a factor at even strength. Lisin has shown speed and some potential.

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10-05-2009, 12:15 PM
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Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Lisin to 4th line LW, Voros/Brashear sits.

obviously

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10-05-2009, 12:29 PM
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Avery plays a top 3 line LW, Lisin to 4th line LW, Voros/Brashear sits.

obviously
If only it were that obvious.

Tortorella seems to like having a 4th line that can crash and play with "jam." Brashear-Boyle-Voros seem to fit the bill pretty well. Lisin is a waste on the 4th line. To be blunt, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, Lisin is a waste if he isnt producing offensively. I think the powerplay time hes getting now is an audition of sorts...In Torts' own words, the kid is "lost" in the defensive zone.

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10-05-2009, 12:36 PM
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Voros sits. Torts keeps the bottom lines pretty fluid, throwing players out together depending on the situation and who has looked better.

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10-05-2009, 01:37 PM
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well ive been waiting patiently for this thread to happen.

im going to be very unpopular for what im about to write, then again im already very unpopular so what the heck....

and for some reason this choice isnt up there......

lisin needs to play in prospals spot. yes, i said it, he needs to play on the FIRST LINE.

gaby dubi and lisin would be absolutely sick. imagine the speed of that line.

lisin isnt going to play 4th line. period.

listen to what torts has said. hes got offense. he creates. he plays the friggin pp. whens the last time a 4th liner did that ?? sure hes still a work in progress defensively and away from the puck. he isnt overly physical so........ put him on the 4th line right?? um.......... no. and give him 6 minutes a game?? playing with voros the clown or huggy bear and boyle. thats the LAST place you put him. if you do that you are negating his strengths and highlighting his weaknesses. hello mr gretzky ??

stupid. not happening.

unfortunately, this lineup does kinda bone arty but hes a centerman and we have to get vinny involved more and he is a very good puck distributer so he needs to center a scoring line.

with these 4 centers down the middle we are a lot stronger team

heres my lineup.

lisin-Dubinsky-Gaborik- pure speed
higgins-prospal-callahan- higgins and cally on the edge with vinny just looks good.
avery-Drury-kotalik- 3rd line that can check and score off the cycle
Brash-arty-voros- feel bad for arty but he is better than boyle

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10-05-2009, 03:19 PM
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i would think a team wouldnt sign a guy for 3 mil per year to play him on the 4th line.then again,this is the Rangers...

Avery to the 3rd line,Lisin to the 4th,Voros traded to the Flyers for a cheesesteak.
If its from Pat's or Geno's I think we win this deal

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I doubt Brashear sits against the Caps

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What should happen is Kotalik should not be playing. He is a nightmare. Totally useless at even strength, and his point shot, when it goes in, isn't worth the harm he brings at even strength.

What will happen, however, is probably Boyle or Voros will sit.

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I'd want Kotalik on the 4th, just keeping his PP time. He really has done nothing.

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What should happen is Kotalik should not be playing. He is a nightmare. Totally useless at even strength, and his point shot, when it goes in, isn't worth the harm he brings at even strength.

What will happen, however, is probably Boyle or Voros will sit.
yeah i concur.

of all the "top 9" guys so far, i would say kotalik has shown me the least.

im not seeing a whole lot from him 5on5 and unless he scores on the pp- and he hasnt yet, hes not really making much of statement.

i would break that 3rd line up. not that impressed with them together so far.

again, at the risk of repeating myself, lisin aint goin to the 4th line.

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What should happen is Kotalik should not be playing. He is a nightmare. Totally useless at even strength, and his point shot, when it goes in, isn't worth the harm he brings at even strength.

What will happen, however, is probably Boyle or Voros will sit.
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What should happen is Kotalik should not be playing. He is a nightmare. Totally useless at even strength, and his point shot, when it goes in, isn't worth the harm he brings at even strength.

What will happen, however, is probably Boyle or Voros will sit.
Yup. That's why I voted for him to go to the fourth (from which he can be a PP specialist). I honestly wonder if tonight's game against the Devils isn't a bit of a test for him - if he looks like he has the past two games, he could well see the scenario we're suggesting. If he picks up his overall game, specifically 5v5, one of the other scenarios takes place.

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10-05-2009, 04:26 PM
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You should to start reading some of the coach's quotes about Lisin. There is nothing in anything Torts has said that suggests this is even remotely possible. If Torts wasn't happy with his game -- or at least the promise his game shows -- Lisin wouldn't be playing on the power play right now.


My prediction: Prospal moves to center (on either 1st or 3rd line), Anisimov moves to center the fourth, and Boyle sits.
I'd rather Lisin or Kotalik play 4th Line than Anisimov, but that is what I see happening.

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I voted for 4th line with Voros sitting.........Avery bumped up throughout the game and on the PK

I think that's how they start with him regardless due to the injury, not going to just whip him in their

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well ive been waiting patiently for this thread to happen.

im going to be very unpopular for what im about to write, then again im already very unpopular so what the heck....

and for some reason this choice isnt up there......

lisin needs to play in prospals spot. yes, i said it, he needs to play on the FIRST LINE.

gaby dubi and lisin would be absolutely sick. imagine the speed of that line.

lisin isnt going to play 4th line. period.

listen to what torts has said. hes got offense. he creates. he plays the friggin pp. whens the last time a 4th liner did that ?? sure hes still a work in progress defensively and away from the puck. he isnt overly physical so........ put him on the 4th line right?? um.......... no. and give him 6 minutes a game?? playing with voros the clown or huggy bear and boyle. thats the LAST place you put him. if you do that you are negating his strengths and highlighting his weaknesses. hello mr gretzky ??

stupid. not happening.

unfortunately, this lineup does kinda bone arty but hes a centerman and we have to get vinny involved more and he is a very good puck distributer so he needs to center a scoring line.

with these 4 centers down the middle we are a lot stronger team

heres my lineup.

lisin-Dubinsky-Gaborik- pure speed
higgins-prospal-callahan- higgins and cally on the edge with vinny just looks good.
avery-Drury-kotalik- 3rd line that can check and score off the cycle
Brash-arty-voros- feel bad for arty but he is better than boyle
LOL, first line....youre unbelievable.

Lisin will be incredibly lucky to avoid the pressbox upon Avery's return. Incredibly lucky.

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10-05-2009, 08:53 PM
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As much as I liked Anisimov in the pre-season, he's done nothing in the first three games with decent ice time. He even had some PP time if I'm not mistaken. Him or Lisin need to sit/go to HFD.

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LOL, first line....youre unbelievable.

Lisin will be incredibly lucky if hes not watching the first game Avery returns from the press box.
I agree that odc's post was over the top, but this seems to me a pretty partisan comment too - albeit more subtly stated. Lisin hit a post on the PP and it was his work to skate the puck clear and then start the play that eventually led to Gilroy's goal. And he's showing increased defensive presence (although that remains a work in progress, no question).

Having said that, I'm finding myself re-evaluating the choice I selected. Kotalik must've been reading this thread, because that was head and shoulders the best game he's had in a NY Ranger sweater - he and Prospal were the best forwards on the ice. Can I go back and change to Avery plays left wing on a top three line, Prospal shifts to center and Anisimov moves to the fourth line? (The only difference is, I'd shift Boyle to wing and sit Voros.)

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IMO Boyle's been better than Anisimov so far, I don't think he should sit for him.

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I agree that odc's post was over the top, but this seems to me a pretty partisan comment too - albeit more subtly stated. Lisin hit a post on the PP and it was his work to skate the puck clear and then start the play that eventually led to Gilroy's goal. And he's showing increased defensive presence.

Having said that, I'm finding myself re-evaluating the choice I selected. Kotalik must've been reading this thread, because that was head and shoulders the best game he's had in a NY Ranger sweater - he and Prospal were the best forwards on the ice. Can I go back and change to Avery plays left wing on a top three line, Prospal shifts to center and Anisimov moves to the fourth line? (The only difference is, I'd shift Boyle to wing and sit Voros.)
I dont think theres any way that Torts breaks up Prospal-Dubinsky-Gaborik right now...

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I dont think theres any way that Torts breaks up Prospal-Dubinsky-Gaborik right now...
You could be right. Perhaps Avery comes back and plays 3rd line C?

Voros has been the worst forward IMO, and of the players in the top 9, it's been Anisimov (as much as I like him and think he has a definite future on this team).

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