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10-07-2009, 11:55 AM
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Lapierre+ XXXX for Visnovsky Pouliot


XXXX = defenseman

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10-07-2009, 11:56 AM
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Umm, you already are paying that cap hit for Visnovsky (5.6) + the player Stoll would hypothetically be replacing...
Yes but the Oilers are very close to the player contract max. Plus we're already paying a 2nd line centre way too much(Horcoff), and I dont think I could stomach paying a 3rd line centre 3.6 million

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10-07-2009, 12:08 PM
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Uh-uh....

Lubo is the best player on our team by a fair margin. Don't believe me?

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t...ht=best+player

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10-07-2009, 12:31 PM
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i dont see us trading any of our top 4 dman ... everything besides faceoffs, pk and somewhat goaltending seems to click for us we could be better defencivly

i wouldnt mind seeing us getting a defensive d man for one of our offensive guns

any offers

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10-07-2009, 12:32 PM
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Volchenkov and Komisarek have what in common? Their play is very missleading. Just that they hit everything that moves in their end doesn't mean that they're good defensively.
Volchenkov not good defensively?

Thanks, now I know I can safely disregard any hockey-related opinion you may have.

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10-07-2009, 12:56 PM
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If we traded Lubo or Souray, we'd without a doubt be expecting the following:

A: A big physical LW who's easily good for 30+ goals. The kind that makes the first line on almost every team in the league.
B: A big physical 2nd line RW who's scored 25+ goals on several occasions(with a cap hit of less than 4M, a "can't miss" prospect and a first rounder.
C: 2 2nd line forwards. One must have considerable size and have a physical aspect to his game. Both must have established reputations.(No 1-trick ponies) And a very good prospect.
Which one of those options did you give up when you got Lubo from LA?

You gave up a defensive defenseman and a 2nd/3rd line center who had a career high of 68 points, which is looking more like a fluke than regular expected output. I love Lubo, he was one of my favorite Kings when he was here, but I fail to see how his value has increased that much based on one year in Edmonton.

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10-07-2009, 01:06 PM
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Stoll and Greene can be replaced, Visnovsky cannot.

Tambellini just didn't bother to replace them.
Truer words have not been spoken.

The PK this year is shaping up to be dismal.

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10-07-2009, 02:25 PM
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Which one of those options did you give up when you got Lubo from LA?

You gave up a defensive defenseman and a 2nd/3rd line center who had a career high of 68 points, which is looking more like a fluke than regular expected output. I love Lubo, he was one of my favorite Kings when he was here, but I fail to see how his value has increased that much based on one year in Edmonton.
A 2nd pairing shutdown defenseman and a 2nd line center. Both of them are wiz kids on the PK. Stoll has a dangerous shot on the PP and he's awesome at faceoffs.

Doesn't sound like a cheap price at all if you ask me.
When we paid that price a lot of fans doubted if Stoll would come back to play well after that headshot that he took, but obviously L.A thought he would. At the time Edmonton was drooling for a good puck moving defenseman.

Last year ppl thought the price was too high, but I don't think we'll miss em on the PK so much this year now that we've got a new coach.

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10-07-2009, 07:57 PM
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LOL Nah I'd never suggest that a team should give up their team's MVP for one of these guys. Especially considering E-Staal's age.
Eric Staal is only turning 25 this month. What the hell is bad about his age?

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10-07-2009, 08:59 PM
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I wouldn't trade Vish back to the Kings for Stoll, Greene, +.
If we wanted those players, we would have signed Malhotra and Gill in the offseason and dumped Staios and Pisani/Moreau in the minors.
Was there another Vishnovsky that we could have signed this summer for 5.6 mil?

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10-07-2009, 09:50 PM
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Eric Staal is only turning 25 this month. What the hell is bad about his age?
I think it was quite obvious that he was stating that no way Carolina would trade Eric Staal when he's already the MVP and only 25

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10-07-2009, 10:02 PM
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Eric Staal is only turning 25 this month. What the hell is bad about his age?
Um you read it the wrong way.

Please turn it upside down and read it again... and then.. yeah it'll make more sense.

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10-07-2009, 10:43 PM
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Volchenkov and Komisarek have what in common? Their play is very missleading. Just that they hit everything that moves in their end doesn't mean that they're good defensively.
I'm guessing you either watching the game last night and saw Volchenkov flatten Stralberg OR you heard about it. Either way, you've concluded that Volchenkov is just another guy with no hockey smarts who hits whatever moves. In the science-world, drawing conclusions from one event or making an opinion that is strongly biased due to a recent event is flawed due to a small (singular, in this case) sample size.

Volchenkov is a very smart hockey player who is counted on time-and-time again defensively so please don't make comparisons to Komisarek without justifying either's play substantially, especially after Komi is off to a slightly sub-par start and Volchenkov is looking pretty good!

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10-08-2009, 03:22 AM
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Lapierre+ XXXX for Visnovsky Pouliot


XXXX = defenseman
That defenseman had better be good. Lapierre is a guy I'd really like to see in Edmonton, but I don't exactly want a deal centered around him and Visnovsky.

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10-08-2009, 03:38 AM
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I wouldn't trade Vish back to the Kings for Stoll, Greene, +.
If we wanted those players, we would have signed Malhotra and Gill in the offseason and dumped Staios and Pisani/Moreau in the minors.
Was there another Vishnovsky that we could have signed this summer for 5.6 mil?
Streit the same summer you traded for Visnovsky.

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10-08-2009, 03:41 AM
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Streit the same summer you traded for Visnovsky.
Except Streit isn't half the hockey player Visnovsky is.

Oilers would be moronic to trade Visnovsky. He's the best player on the team.

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Except Streit isn't half the hockey player Visnovsky is.

Oilers would be moronic to trade Visnovsky. He's the best player on the team.
I disagree, Streit is just as good if not better and he makes less.

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10-08-2009, 10:16 AM
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I wouldn't... and I am an Oiler fan. The Oilers are in dire need of defensemen that actually defend; I am not impressed with Visnovsky. Sure he is a good skater, and has a shot, and can pass, but he is not great defensively. Edmonton under Lowe (and his illusion of the new NHL) became the inverted world of the hockey world - where a defenseman's value was judged by how much he can score. Staal for Visnovsky... in a heart beat. Heck, I am hoping Tambellini can make a trade with Ottawa - Visnovsky for Volchenkov.

Add to the equation the cap hit Visnovsky carries, and it is a no brainer.

Souray over Visnovsky any day of the week - in last nights game I watched Visnovsky getting run over by Morrow, and I watched Souray manhandle an opposing player. Plus Souray has to be in line for the Captaincy.
I agree, i like Vis but i would trade him to the Pens for Staal, i don't think the Pens would do it though...... Visnovsky is a good player but Staal fits the Oilers needs much better and we can take the extra $1.6 mil and use it towards getting a stay at home defenseman which the team sorely needs

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Except Streit isn't half the hockey player Visnovsky is.

Oilers would be moronic to trade Visnovsky. He's the best player on the team.
I'm an Oiler fan and i disagree, i think Streit is on Visnovsky's level at this point in their respective careers..... You think Streit isn't half the player that Visnovsky is? Come on, that's a little absurd

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I wouldn't... and I am an Oiler fan. The Oilers are in dire need of defensemen that actually defend; I am not impressed with Visnovsky. Sure he is a good skater, and has a shot, and can pass, but he is not great defensively. Edmonton under Lowe (and his illusion of the new NHL) became the inverted world of the hockey world - where a defenseman's value was judged by how much he can score. Staal for Visnovsky... in a heart beat. Heck, I am hoping Tambellini can make a trade with Ottawa - Visnovsky for Volchenkov.

Add to the equation the cap hit Visnovsky carries, and it is a no brainer.

Souray over Visnovsky any day of the week - in last nights game I watched Visnovsky getting run over by Morrow, and I watched Souray manhandle an opposing player. Plus Souray has to be in line for the Captaincy.
I agree. You guys work this deal out with Pittsburgh, then the Kings will send you Stoll and Greene for Visnovsky, and before he gets to the Edmonton airport we'll have a ticket to Pittsburgh there waiting for him.

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10-08-2009, 02:23 PM
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for some reason, i knew the stoll/greene combo would be missed in edmonton, those are two players that can add so much all over the ice in many situations..

as an edmonton fan i was very unhappy with that deal back then.. and still am..
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i didn't get to see too much oiler hockey last year,
Out of curiosity, what are you basing your unhappiness with the deal if you haven't seen Vish play on the Oilers?

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I wouldn't... and I am an Oiler fan. The Oilers are in dire need of defensemen that actually defend; I am not impressed with Visnovsky. Sure he is a good skater, and has a shot, and can pass, but he is not great defensively. Edmonton under Lowe (and his illusion of the new NHL) became the inverted world of the hockey world - where a defenseman's value was judged by how much he can score. Staal for Visnovsky... in a heart beat. Heck, I am hoping Tambellini can make a trade with Ottawa - Visnovsky for Volchenkov.

Add to the equation the cap hit Visnovsky carries, and it is a no brainer.

Souray over Visnovsky any day of the week - in last nights game I watched Visnovsky getting run over by Morrow, and I watched Souray manhandle an opposing player. Plus Souray has to be in line for the Captaincy.
Interesting assessment of one game. In 40-some-odd games last year, I saw Visnovsky play as our best player. I think that holds a little more weight than "this one time, I saw him get knocked down".

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10-08-2009, 05:14 PM
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In my opinion, the Oilers have an abundance of Offensive-D and Visnovky is the guy least likely to outperform his contract going forward, and most likely to get a healthy return.

I think Gilbert and Grebeshkov are underrated, and Souray's skill set is too valuable to the Oilers.

If the Oilers are to be a complete team they need to address their weaknesses.

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Out of curiosity, what are you basing your unhappiness with the deal if you haven't seen Vish play on the Oilers?

Interesting assessment of one game. In 40-some-odd games last year, I saw Visnovsky play as our best player. I think that holds a little more weight than "this one time, I saw him get knocked down".
Nice generalization... I, at least, was giving a specific instance and example. I too watched Visnovsky all of last year - as I did not miss an Oilers' game - and I still would be fine with seeing him traded. Like the person above 'me' says, Visnovsky is the least likely to outperform his contract.

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Visnovsky injury last year is the reason we dropped out of the playoffs 50 games into last year. The only way i would want him traded if it was him + others for a top 3 forward.

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Don't worry, Oilers fans would murder Tambo if he traded Lubo for Stall unless it's the Staal on the Hurricanes.
i dont think ive ever seen someone spell staal wrong once and spell it right in the same sentence without correcting it.

and oilers would be lucky to get Jordan staal for visnovsky, because of his age and the fact he exibits almost everything you need (apparently)

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