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"The Search (For Offense) Continues" - 10.12.09 - Nashville vs. Edmonton

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10-12-2009, 05:11 PM
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Did Trotz say that was the starting 3rd line? or was this just speculated from the morning skate.
Callahan posted that that would be the line to start the game and also that they were looking for 10-12 minutes out of him tonight while "easing" him into the lineup. Honestly, knowing Tom, I think he probably had discussions with the coaching staff about that info before he posted it.

To answer you, "no" Trotz is not quoted, but it is inferred by Callahan's post and makes the most sense.

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I'm already losing all hope of Trotz trying to get goals this season.
I've been very critical of our NZ trap and passive collapsing defensive system, but honestly I don't see any reason to say what you have. We have not been healthy and have had at best one scoring line in each of our first three games as things get sorted out.

I'm giving it through the weekend to sort out, but honestly tonight is the first game I can see less of a defensive burden on the second line and a third line with the potential to score. If we can get either of those two lines scoring, it'll ease some of the pressure off of the top line and shift the attention of the defense making it easier to score altogether.

A trend I was really disturbed about last game though was the lack of any urgency to take the puck to the net. The third period rush by Klein was a perfect example when he broke up the middle of the ice with the puck on a 3 on 2 and stopped moving his feet immediately after crossing the blueline. Drive the puck deep, force the defense back, and then dish it off to the wing or put it on net! Klein though, like many others, stopped moving his feet and allowed the backcheck to smother any opportunity...

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10-12-2009, 05:20 PM
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Interesting. In a sense I understand and agree. However you don't put anyone on the roster to "score goals and create offense" only to give them primary shut down responsibilities. In that sense I agree with you (which is why I said that if the second line's shut down role is permanent then Santorelli doesn't help that line, nor Santorelli himself).

Not that I'm comparing Sullivan and Dumont to Santorelli in terms of results, but they are all offense-first type players. You wouldn't charge Sullivan and Dumont with the task of shutting down the opposition's top line, nor should you do so with Santorelli. That said, shutting down the opposition's top line probably shouldn't be the role of the second line either.

The gist of my original response was the apparent role reversal for the second line from camp/preseason to regular season and its effects/results. I don't know if that role reversal is just my perception (although Trotz's comments seem to support my perception), or is an effort to compensate for injuries.

Ultimately, if the second line is going to be shut down line, then Santorelli is not the right player for that line. That said, expecting significant production from a second line operating in a shut down capacity seems to be foolish.

I suspect that Trotz's comments regarding the second line's defensive focus indicates that it isn't a permanent role and that he give more freedom to that line.
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Exactly, and the 2nd line is either not being used as offense, or Erat + Leggy ultimately equal no offense. Jones and Santorelli were Dominant their first preseason/rookie games/and the AHL together. Which is why I would like to see them together.
See my original post for the beginning of the discussion. John Glennon's blog entry is the source of this:

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Preds coach Barry Trotz did say that the trio has had a lot of defen*sive res*pon*si*bi*li*ties in the first two games, but we don’t seem to be seeing the same che*mistry from Erat, Leg*wand and Mike San*to*re*lli that we did in the pre*sea*son. Erat and Leg*wand mana*ged just one shot apiece in the win over Colorado.
This excerpt was the basis for my and SLake's discussion about role reversals and the effects of that for that line as well as our speculation about that role reversal not being permanent.

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10-12-2009, 05:21 PM
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Lets hope you're right about those lines. I say that based on our acquisitions, who was kept out of camp, and icing grant goc ward in a 0 - 0 game when the top 2 lines aren't producing and the 2nd line is being the "shut-down" line.

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10-12-2009, 06:20 PM
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So stoked Wilson will make his debut tonight. Hope he has a great game and doesnt give Trotz any reason to hold him back.

As many are discussing, I think it will be interesting to see how our line up shapes out over the next couple of weeks. I havnt had any ill opinions of Santo on the second line other than those three not producing any points. If Santo can be the guy they let take some chances, while Erat and Legs focus primarilly on d I think that line will eventually click and be good for us.

Im most excited about our third line. I would personally like Wilson, Horns and Ward. Let Ward battle in the tough spots, Wilson make plays and Horns generate scoring chances. All three will battle in front of the net and in the corners. And all three have the potential to either set one another up for goals or generate a few themselves. Experience with Ward, speed with Horns and great hockey sense from Wilson.

I honestly believe that if SAD keeps producing, LES can find a way to stay solid in our zone and produce some offense, WWH can mesh and give some offensive relief to SAD and our new d-men can learn to play at this level, we'll be a playoff bound team. Go Preds!

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10-12-2009, 07:57 PM
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Because the talent of the team is better than last year and frankly, a monkey flinging poo couldn't screw this up when this team is at full strength.

Sully-Arnott-Dumont
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. You think Hörnqvist is the odd man out?

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10-12-2009, 08:17 PM
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The feed on http://www.rajangan.net/ is working.

Let's go Preds!!!

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Ugly play on our part, 1-0 Oilers.

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10-12-2009, 08:24 PM
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Well damn. We'll get it back + hopefully. Nice to see 3 pages before the game.

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My goodness. This isn't our night. Edmonton is putting the pressure on. Nice goal.

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2-0 Oilers

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Best of luck tonight, boys...but not too much luck. LET'S GO OILERS.

Like your TV play-by-play duo. Considering some of the other duos in the league, I think Weber and Crisp are pretty under appreciated.

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10-12-2009, 08:29 PM
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Best of luck tonight, boys...but not too much luck. LET'S GO OILERS.

Like your TV play-by-play duo. Considering some of the other duos in the league, I think Weber and Crisp are pretty under appreciated.
Well so far seems like you boys don't have much to worry about.


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10-12-2009, 08:31 PM
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2-0 Oilers


Now a powerplay for the Oilers. Goc hold. Goc was on ice for their first goal.

I guess we'll learn a lot about what sort of backbone this team has tonight. If nothing else. Come on boys, stem the bleeding and get a goal back.

Goal...

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10-12-2009, 08:33 PM
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Rinne is getting pelted, 3-0 Oilers.

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Ah Monday night butt kicking, let me pull out the alcohol, sit back and relax. This is going to be a long, painful evening.

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Well so far seems like you boys don't have much to worry about.

3-0 1st period lead = most dangerous lead in hockey

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Predators PP, hello SHG.

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Ah Monday night butt kicking, let me pull out the alcohol, sit back and relax. This is going to be a long, painful evening.
8:30am here in Taiwan, little to early to hit the booze.

Great picture of Crispy from back in the day, good lord nice hair

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Powerplay. If we can get one back...

Come on Preds. Just fight hard.

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Even on the PP we're not getting any chances on net.

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Wilson. Draws the penalty. Dragged down.

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Wilson has been looking good so far tonight, draws a penalty. Come on Preds lets go!!!!

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I call 8-0. Sound familiar?

4 goals on 9 shots? Did I hear that correctly?

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Maybe it's not too early to hit the booze after all...

4-0. Defense isn't giving Rinne much help but he's not on top of his game either, strange especially after the Sabres game.

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Maybe it's not too early to hit the booze after all...

4-0. Defense isn't giving Rinne much help but he's not on top of his game either, strange especially after the Sabres game.
Ellis voodoo maybe?

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