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Looking into the Crystal Ball - NHL II

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11-24-2004, 07:46 PM
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Looking into the Crystal Ball - NHL II

January 2006 - The new NHL II begins it's first season.

32 teams, 4 divisions of 8 teams, 20 players on each active roster

Flex Cap of 25 million, Minimum salary $100,000 maximum 3 million

Entry Level Contract or starting salary not to exceed $300,000 including bonus money

Ticket prices - range from $20 to $100

Referees will be paid the same as in the former NHL and will be reimbursed and rewarded for their high morale standards and for taking a stand against taking other ref jobs away from lower paying levels.

Players - drafted/signed out of college, recruited from Europe, AHL and other pro leagues

Transition period for the new NHL II = 2-3 years while new players adjust and enter the league and former NHL players return under the new terms of the league with a new contract.

Rule changes - To be determined, however, the rules proposed during last season will be part of the new rules package.

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Thread #6...same old story...

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Thread #6...same old story...
It's called reality, bling. There are many perspectives here and many ways to look at things. This isn't as far fetched as you may think. If your a player or have something at stake here I suggest you go to Bob and tell him to get the deal done now. Owners will not cave this time and as the NHL continues to take PR hits the league's value continues to go spiral downward. Overly dramatic. Possibly but the writing is on the wall. Get a deal done now while you can still get close to 1.3 average because this time next year 1.3 will seem high to you. So wake up and smell the roses bling and stop living in the past. There will be a new CBA that returns control of the league to where it belongs - to the ownew and the NHL executive that represent the owners and the fans. If you want to know why I am so persistent on this topic, it's because my Coyotes finally put together a team that might just advance past the 1st round this year and after so many years of frustration with the Jets-Coyotes us Coyotes fans were actually looking forward to this season. Now it looks more and more like the team that was finally put together will never have the chance to play together. Is a system that offers a floating 53% of total revenue all that bad? Seems more than fare to every fan that I talk to and to a couple of players that I know personally but are afraid to speak out on the topic because they are not the type that want to deal with the press. P.S. IF THE OWNERS DO CAVE I WILL BE ONE OF MILLIONS OF FANS THAT WILL NEVER FORGIVE THEM FOR IT AND I THINK THEY ARE MORE THAN AWARE THAT PUBLIC OPINION IS ON THEIR SIDE.

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January 2006 - The new NHL II begins it's first season.

32 teams, 4 divisions of 8 teams, 20 players on each active roster

Flex Cap of 25 million, Minimum salary $100,000 maximum 3 million

Entry Level Contract or starting salary not to exceed $300,000 including bonus money

Ticket prices - range from $20 to $100

Referees will be paid the same as in the former NHL and will be reimbursed and rewarded for their high morale standards and for taking a stand against taking other ref jobs away from lower paying levels.

Players - drafted/signed out of college, recruited from Europe, AHL and other pro leagues

Transition period for the new NHL II = 2-3 years while new players adjust and enter the league and former NHL players return under the new terms of the league with a new contract.

Rule changes - To be determined, however, the rules proposed during last season will be part of the new rules package.
You base this on what?
You're wishlist?
This board is getting wiped out by meaningless posts.
It's like the trade board when the kids start drinking too much mountain dew: How about Jiri FIscher, Steve Yzerman and Henrik Zetterberg for Matt Sundin, Bryan McCabe and Antropov?

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If the max allowed is 3 million, wouldnt the Europeans stay in Europe and NHL II would basically become another domestic league rather than the best in the world?

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If the max allowed is 3 million, wouldnt the Europeans stay in Europe and NHL II would basically become another domestic league rather than the best in the world?
Perhaps but how many Europeans actually make 3 million or more now? I don't think players other than Russian players actually want or aspire to play in Russia. Then you have to wonder how many players can they actually afford to pay over a million a year when their crowds are so small and I doubt they get much coroporate sponsorship. Funny money can only go so far. You may be right, maybe the ceiling needs to be moved to up to 4 million. The NHL is losing value as each day passes and player salaries will drop accordingly. Owners are not going to budge. This is not about negotiating a fair deal. it's about returning control of the league to where it rightfully belongs. It's about saving a league and amking 30 teams viable and provding them with an equal starting point. Seeing Kyprios on Sportsnet the other night wearing his NHLPA cap the message was driven home loud and clear. The NHLPA has gotten way to big and too powerfull for it's own good. The owners have a right to make a profit. Even with a cap they are still taking chances and profits are not guaranteed like many posters keep saying.

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The owners have a right to make a profit.
Why?

What makes their businesses special so that they deserve to make a profit?

Just like any other industry, the smart should have a better chance of making money and the stupid should have a better chance of losing money.

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Owners are not going to budge. This is not about negotiating a fair deal. it's about returning control of the league to where it rightfully belongs.
Well said. Good luck with that at impasse.

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Perhaps but how many Europeans actually make 3 million or more now? I don't think players other than Russian players actually want or aspire to play in Russia. Then you have to wonder how many players can they actually afford to pay over a million a year when their crowds are so small and I doubt they get much coroporate sponsorship. Funny money can only go so far. You may be right, maybe the ceiling needs to be moved to up to 4 million. The NHL is losing value as each day passes and player salaries will drop accordingly. Owners are not going to budge. This is not about negotiating a fair deal. it's about returning control of the league to where it rightfully belongs. It's about saving a league and amking 30 teams viable and provding them with an equal starting point. Seeing Kyprios on Sportsnet the other night wearing his NHLPA cap the message was driven home loud and clear. The NHLPA has gotten way to big and too powerfull for it's own good. The owners have a right to make a profit. Even with a cap they are still taking chances and profits are not guaranteed like many posters keep saying.

Well, if the owners aren't going to budge and cancel the second season in a row sometime in January 2006, then the NHLPA is probably going to decertify and it would be each player for himself in a true free market, no CBA whatsoever, no drafts, no spending limits of any kind etc. NHL might even opt to try to fight against decertification, but that would only mean prolonging the start of whatever NHL there would be left. Some control for owners.

And the reduced salaries would apply mainly to the lower tier players, who would stand to lose most in every other system than the expired CBA. The top players would be still earning enough or close enough to be set for life.

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Well, if the owners aren't going to budge and cancel the second season in a row sometime in January 2006, then the NHLPA is probably going to decertify and it would be each player for himself in a true free market, no CBA whatsoever, no drafts, no spending limits of any kind etc. NHL might even opt to try to fight against decertification, but that would only mean prolonging the start of whatever NHL there would be left. Some control for owners.

And the reduced salaries would apply mainly to the lower tier players, who would stand to lose most in every other system than the expired CBA. The top players would be still earning enough or close enough to be set for life.
Here's hoping the players are ever stupid enough to decertify.

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