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10-14-2009, 04:50 AM
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Kovalchuk for Kostitsyns

Kovalchuk is in his contract year at 6.4 mil per.
Take away both Kosts' contracts and Markov's, and the Habs can take the cap hit.

Pros for the Thrashers: they can easily resign the brothers, since their contracts are staggered.
Pros for Habs: They now have the scoring punch to not only survive this season but thrive.

Questions:

1. What else would it take to get this done? 1st rounders? Halak?
2. Can the Habs resign Kovalchuk, or is he just going to bolt for the KHL?
3. Does this make any sense at all from a Habs' point of view, or is it wasting assets?

Edit: this isn't a "let's run the kostitsyns out of town" thread. Just speculating.


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If Wadell thinks he has a good shot at locking Kovy up, he won't trade him. If he doesn't, getting him now would definitely mean Kost bros + 1st + solid prospect. And Thrashers have no need for Halak unless we take Lehtonen from them.

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We're talking about arguably the 4th best player in the league, in the same caliber as the Crosby's, Malkins and Ovechkins, also hitting his prime.

Maybe somewhere along the lines of Subban - 1st - Kost bros, Price-Subban-1st, Markov - 1st.

Bigger pipe dream than Lecavalier.

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10-14-2009, 07:11 AM
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We're talking about arguably the 4th best player in the league, in the same caliber as the Crosby's, Malkins and Ovechkins, also hitting his prime.

Maybe somewhere along the lines of Subban - 1st - Kost bros, Price-Subban-1st, Markov - 1st.

Bigger pipe dream than Lecavalier.
This.

Offering the Kostitsyns for Kovalchuk will at best make Wadell laughs.

On second thought... he did trade Hossa for a bunch of 3rd liners and a 1st, so you never know.

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there is no way we should trade Markov under any circumstances unless it's a mind blowing offer.

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there is no way we should trade Markov under any circumstances unless it's a mind blowing offer.
I agree. But Kovalchuk is pretty mind blowing.

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For Kovalchuk?

Kostitsyns
Pacioretty
Sudden
O'Byrne
First round this year
First round next year

That sounds about right, maybe we can keep O'Byrne.

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For Kovalchuk?

Kostitsyns
Pacioretty
Sudden
O'Byrne
First round this year
First round next year

That sounds about right, maybe we can keep O'Byrne.
I'd rather keep Sudden.

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And when he asks for +9 millions next summer you trade who to make space?

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kosts/hamrlik/pick would make more sense... gives them 2 young stars and a vet D for a couple of years, and we have space for Kovalchuk without ruining our D.

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Hahahahahahahahhahaha.
Well said. The Habs have made their bed with a large investment in 3 new players, there is no room for taking on Kovalchuk. Plus they don't have the players required to get a trade done.

Puhlease to the "proposals" here.

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Kovalchuk is in his contract year at 6.4 mil per.
Take away both Kosts' contracts and Markov's, and the Habs can take the cap hit.

Pros for the Thrashers: they can easily resign the brothers, since their contracts are staggered.
Pros for Habs: They now have the scoring punch to not only survive this season but thrive.

Questions:

1. What else would it take to get this done? 1st rounders? Halak?
2. Can the Habs resign Kovalchuk, or is he just going to bolt for the KHL?
3. Does this make any sense at all from a Habs' point of view, or is it wasting assets?

Edit: this isn't a "let's run the kostitsyns out of town" thread. Just speculating.
After 6500 posts i would have figured that you would know by now that we won't be able to fit him under the cap space since he will be making 8-10 million on his next contract. And there is now way were gonna hve a 30 mill dollar payroll on 4 players on Offense.

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I would trade K. Bros, Patches, a first next year, a 2nd the year after, and Halak for Kovalchuk.

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What about if we traded Gomez, Sergei & Hammer and a first for Kovy? Kovy would be at the end of his contract and we would then have room to re-sign him without Gomez's contract on the books.

P.S I know we already have shooters in Gio & Cammy and this is a huge pipe dream but Kovy has that offensive fair that Montrealers love and would definitely be our new poster boy!

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I would trade K. Bros, Patches, a first next year, a 2nd the year after, and Halak for Kovalchuk.
This isn't a very good point.
There is no way you can sign him next year ( for obvious cap reasons ).
We aren't challenging anybody for the cup. So why would we give away the farm for a rental ?
This makes zero sense.


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This isn't a very good point.
There is no way you can sign him next year ( for obvious cap reasons ).
We aren't challenging anybody for the cup. So why would we give away the farm for a rental ?
This makes zero sense.
We could sign him if we go for those loooooooooooooooooong contract that decrease the cap hit. The thing is...you are creating a long term problem...even if it's for Kovalchuk.

And if we would go for it, we would have to give a lot...probably too much.

Andrei and Sergei, Louis Leblanc (since I don't think they want defense), 1st this year, 1st next year

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This is a very good point.
There is no way you can sign him next year ( for obvious cap reasons ).
We aren't challenging anybody for the cup. So why would we give away the farm for a rental ?
This makes zero sense.


Sarcasm eh.

Well do you see a team like Montreal actually tanking? I don't. I wish we would, believe me, every ounce of Habs spirit tells me to tank. All the teams contending for a spot have tanked once apon a time.
But sadly, I don't see it happening, the fans wouldn't have it, Gainey would be fired, martin would be fired, and the coaches replacing martin and the gm replacing gainey would be fired. So no I don't see it happening, however if there was a year to tank it would be this year. There are 8-10 ELITE level prospects in this years draft according to McKenzie. and we desperately need 1-2, or even 3 of them. So either we trade the farm for a good top 5 pick, or a superstar like kovalchuk.

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Kovalchuk is in his contract year at 6.4 mil per.
Take away both Kosts' contracts and Markov's, and the Habs can take the cap hit.

Pros for the Thrashers: they can easily resign the brothers, since their contracts are staggered.
Pros for Habs: They now have the scoring punch to not only survive this season but thrive.

Questions:

1. What else would it take to get this done? 1st rounders? Halak?
2. Can the Habs resign Kovalchuk, or is he just going to bolt for the KHL?
3. Does this make any sense at all from a Habs' point of view, or is it wasting assets?

Edit: this isn't a "let's run the kostitsyns out of town" thread. Just speculating.
It's not because you are from Toronto that you need to start threads where your team wins every trade.

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If Atlanta is in bad position in February and shopping Kovalchuck, he won't be going for much more than Hossa (couple of decent roster players). No matter how good he is, he's still just a rental. Kost bros + mediocre prospect should do it.

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Sarcasm eh.

Well do you see a team like Montreal actually tanking? I don't. I wish we would, believe me, every ounce of Habs spirit tells me to tank. All the teams contending for a spot have tanked once apon a time.
But sadly, I don't see it happening, the fans wouldn't have it, Gainey would be fired, martin would be fired, and the coaches replacing martin and the gm replacing gainey would be fired. So no I don't see it happening, however if there was a year to tank it would be this year. There are 8-10 ELITE level prospects in this years draft according to McKenzie. and we desperately need 1-2, or even 3 of them. So either we trade the farm for a good top 5 pick, or a superstar like kovalchuk.
This would have guys like M Richard turning in their grave...
Give your head a shake. This is our game and we play "HARD TILL THE END,WIN OR LOSE".

Tank, my goodness. You can change your allegiance, anytime you would like. Tank is not a HABS WORD !!!

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Well what if he accepts a Hossa kind of deal?
Okay it's still something along the 5.5 to 6.5 a year but there is always a way to fit something along that number.
Hammer contract expire in 2 years, Gill too, Mara UFA, BGL 2 years.
There is certainly a way to fit him.

It's more about the cost. At the trade deadline, depending on the Kostitsyns numbers, I can see something along the line of:

MTL : Kovy

ATL: Kost Bros, Weber and 1st

It's highly risky but he did say that he wanted to play for a team where fans cared and that his best moment in hockey was in Quebec during world championship.

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Tank is not a HABS WORD !!!
Unfortunately, neither is victory.

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We'd love to get Kovalchuk and he's not going to stay in Atl so for argument purposes lets say he's available.

We give up:
AKost
SKost
Weber
Halak
2 first round picks

Kovalchuk makes the team immediately better but not a contender. In the off-season he's gonna ask for 7+million. If we give it to him then what. We'll have 23+ million invested in 4 forwards with impending contracts for Price and Markov who will cost at least 9 million between them. We're at 32 Million for 1/3 of a hockey team. We have prospects... oh wait no we don't we traded em. I'd rather not become Tampa North.

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