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10-20-2009, 01:09 AM
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This is an extremely new and never before seen topic. I commend you for posting it before anyone else and not doing the boring, predictable thing of looking for earlier threads on the subject.

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Cap may go up.... WOO HOO!

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Sorry, I didn't see the sticky. Thank you for being sarcastic though.

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Sorry, I didn't see the sticky. Thank you for being sarcastic though.
I understand that you asked a serious question but this topic is everywhere. There is a sticky here, just look at every single trade proposal involving the Hawks and its brought up. I bet we can even have a thread about the Hawks holding a team function with out some poster asking if this will effect are cap, its gotten ridiculous.

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We may end up losing one of our RFA's. Andrew Ladd, franchise player that he is, may be on the way out. It'll be a sad day for the Blackhawks, but cap casualties are a-comin' boys.

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We may end up losing one of our RFA's. Andrew Ladd, franchise player that he is, may be on the way out. It'll be a sad day for the Blackhawks, but cap casualties are a-comin' boys.
All because of owners that didn't do what was better for the actual team. Instead they worried more about marketing/advertising and signed Campbell, Huet and Hossa to contracts that were not needed, although one could argue about Campbell. Combined hit of Huet and Hossa is around 11mil which could have easily been used to resign Toews, Kane and Keith.

I actually worry for the Hawks and other Hawks fans because the more I think of it, the more it makes me think the Hawks management is becoming like the Leaf's management....

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10-20-2009, 02:55 PM
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All because of owners that didn't do what was better for the actual team. Instead they worried more about marketing/advertising and signed Campbell, Huet and Hossa to contracts that were not needed, although one could argue about Campbell. Combined hit of Huet and Hossa is around 11mil which could have easily been used to resign Toews, Kane and Keith.

I actually worry for the Hawks and other Hawks fans because the more I think of it, the more it makes me think the Hawks management is becoming like the Leaf's management....
You're really complaining about Hossa and his cap friendly deal for an elite level player?

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10-20-2009, 05:00 PM
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If we are going to resign the Big 3 this upcoming offseason, one or more of these players may need to be moved:
P. Sharp $4 mil
K. Versteeg $3 mil
C. Barker $3 mil
C. Huet $5.625 mil
B. Campbell $7.142 mil
B. Sopel $2.5 mil

I know I may get trash thrown at me for putting Steeger or Barker's name up there, but they have very high trade value and make a decent amount of money. Of course the ideal situation would be to move both Huet and Campbell (which is near impossible) and possibly waive Sopel. Huet is going to be the hardest to move, Campbell is having a good year and if he keeps it up he may be easier to move than some may think and Sopel in my eyes is an easy waive this upcoming offseason; with the young talent the Hawks have on the blueline (i.e. Jordan Hendry, Mike Brennan) there's no need to have Grandpa Sopel patrolling the Hawks zone. Getting rid of all 3 would certainly help, but moving Huet is going to be the tough part especially with that horrendous looking contract.

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10-20-2009, 05:04 PM
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You're really complaining about Hossa and his cap friendly deal for an elite level player?
yeah if you actually look into Hossa's deal more thoroughly, it's actually pretty damn good. it's front end loaded and I know it's fortunate that the front end happens to be now when we have all these salary cap problems looming ahead, but Hossa is an elite player as mentioned above and I am not complaining one bit about that contract.

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MY SALARY CAP PLAN


let me know if its reasonable at all

Unfortunately, put huet in the minors and eat his salary

RESIGN PLAYERS
resign toews at 5.50-5.75/year
resign kane at 5.50-5.75/year
resign keith long term to get his cap hit down to about 4.25-4.5/year (a quasi-Franzen deal)
resign hjalmarsson for 2/year
resign ladd for 2/year
resign burish for 0.800/year
resign skille for 0.800/year
resign Niemi for 2/year (if he turns out to be a good goalie)

RECALL TO FILL SPOTS
recall Dowell for the 3rd Line
recall any defenseman for your 6th Dman
recall Crawford as backup

CAP CASUALTIES
trade Sopel for anything you can get at the end of the season
(i wish he doesnt go but im thinking he has to) trade Versteeg for anything you can get at the end of the season- preferably look for prospects that will project to play as a bottom 2 defenseman or a 3rd and 4th line - could replace with Barker if your choice is to keep Versteeg and let go of Barker)
Let Madden walk
Pay Huet in the minors and regret the day you signed him


Projected Lineup

Sharp (3.9) Toews (5.50) Hossa (5.233)
Byfuglien (3) Bolland (3.375) Kane (5.750)
Ladd (2) Dowell (.550) Brouwer (1)
Kopecky (1.2) Burish (.8) Skille (0.800)

Keith (4.25) Seabrook (3.5)
Campbell (7.140) Hjalmarsson (2)
Barker (3.083) Hendry/Lalonde/Any entry-level D (0.800)

Niemi (2)
Crawford (0.700)

TOTAL 56.831 - over the cap by 0.031

the only problem i can see looking at this is getting kane and toews at the 5.5 and 5.75.. keith and his agent may take the long-term deal since its a guaranteed future, this is coming from a guy that signed a 5 year deal as a very young player



what do you guys think???

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yeah if you actually look into Hossa's deal more thoroughly, it's actually pretty damn good. it's front end loaded and I know it's fortunate that the front end happens to be now when we have all these salary cap problems looming ahead, but Hossa is an elite player as mentioned above and I am not complaining one bit about that contract.
If there was no Campbell or Huet contract I would be absolutely pleased with that contract and deal. However that's not what happened so I'm not 100% pleased with the contract, but doesn't mean I don't like Hossa in a Hawks jersey. But one thing I am not happy about is the way the contract was handled. By not conducting a check on Hossa before signing the deal makes me think it's another case of 'marketing' rather than an actual hockey move for the team.

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10-21-2009, 02:06 AM
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That was sarcasm. We may end up losing Ladd, a very good third line player; and a mediocre goalie and keeping the rest of the team intact. Until we lose a player it's all subjective. Hossa being a bad deal is so far from reality it's almost Laffian. We've got a top 5 RW locked up long-term for realtively nothing and people are complaining. Once he starts playing some games for Chicago people will realize how lucky we are to have a player of his caliber as a LUXURY.

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So did you guys realize that we have a big cap problem coming up at the end of this year and that we're going to have trouble re-signing Keith, Kane and Toews?

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All because of owners that didn't do what was better for the actual team. Instead they worried more about marketing/advertising and signed Campbell, Huet and Hossa to contracts that were not needed, although one could argue about Campbell. Combined hit of Huet and Hossa is around 11mil which could have easily been used to resign Toews, Kane and Keith.

I actually worry for the Hawks and other Hawks fans because the more I think of it, the more it makes me think the Hawks management is becoming like the Leaf's management....
Huet is really the only bad move. Campbell is overpaid by about 1 to 1.5 mil, but he was absolutley needed, fans really downplay his significance to the Blackhawks assent last year. Hossa wasn't a bad move, and really adds to the arsenal of this team. So he costs us Versteeg, Ladd, and Barker. Who cares? That's why you build a good farmsystem, to replace guys like Versteeg Ladd and Barker when they are going to cost you too much $.

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So did you guys realize that we have a big cap problem coming up at the end of this year and that we're going to have trouble re-signing Keith, Kane and Toews?
Yes, everyone realizes that, it is going to be very difficult to re-sign all 3, but 2 is VERY possible. If you have to take 2 of 3 I'd say keep Toews and Keith, the reason I say Toews over Kane is because he is bigger, more physical and is more of 2-way player than Kane.

It's not like it's impossible for them to re-sign all 3, but some major moves will have to be made in order for that to happen.

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Yes, everyone realizes that, it is going to be very difficult to re-sign all 3, but 2 is VERY possible. If you have to take 2 of 3 I'd say keep Toews and Keith, the reason I say Toews over Kane is because he is bigger, more physical and is more of 2-way player than Kane.

It's not like it's impossible for them to re-sign all 3, but some major moves will have to be made in order for that to happen.
You missed his sarcasm <_<

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You missed his sarcasm <_<
I suppose I did ha

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Ladd to Vancouver in the off season for C.Schneider and a 2 nd round pick in 2011

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Trades


To Dal
Cambell
Olsen
1 st round pick

to Chi
Daley
Turco

Get rid of Cambell's contract

Waive
Huet
Sopel
Daley

Re Sign
Kane 10 years 55 million
Toews 10 years 55 million
Keith 5 years 25 million
Ladd 5 years 10 million
Hjalmersson 3 years 4.5 million
Eager 1 year 1.2 million
Ebbet 2 years 1 million

UFA'S
Biron 1 year 1.5 million
O'Brien 1 year 1.5 million
Trade

To Van
Beech

To Chi
Schneider

2010-2011
Kane(5.5)-Toews(5.5)-Sharp(3.9)
Versteg(3.25)-Bolland(3.375)-Hossa(5.233)
Ladd(2.5)-Ebbet(.500)-Byfugglien(3.0)
Eager(1.0)-Brouwer(.965)-Kopecky(1.0)


Keith(5.0)-Seabrook(3.5)
Barker(3.083)-Hjalmersson(1.5)
O'Brien(1.5)-6 th dman (.750)

Biron (1.5)
Schneider (.984)

Total team cap hit 53.607

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Trades


To Dal
Cambell
Olsen
1 st round pick

to Chi
Daley
Turco

Get rid of Cambell's contract

Waive
Huet
Sopel
Daley

Re Sign
Kane 10 years 55 million
Toews 10 years 55 million
Keith 5 years 25 million
Ladd 5 years 10 million
Hjalmersson 3 years 4.5 million
Eager 1 year 1.2 million
Ebbet 2 years 1 million

UFA'S
Biron 1 year 1.5 million
O'Brien 1 year 1.5 million
Trade

To Van
Beech

To Chi
Schneider

2010-2011
Kane(5.5)-Toews(5.5)-Sharp(3.9)
Versteg(3.25)-Bolland(3.375)-Hossa(5.233)
Ladd(2.5)-Ebbet(.500)-Byfugglien(3.0)
Eager(1.0)-Brouwer(.965)-Kopecky(1.0)


Keith(5.0)-Seabrook(3.5)
Barker(3.083)-Hjalmersson(1.5)
O'Brien(1.5)-6 th dman (.750)

Biron (1.5)
Schneider (.984)

Total team cap hit 53.607

Sure, let's waive a guy with a .917 career save percentage. And for Martin Biron. LULZ

And secondly, the Hawks have Niemi already. Why would they acquire Schneider in your hypothetical situation?

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10-31-2009, 10:46 PM
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Trades


To Dal
Cambell
Olsen
1 st round pick

to Chi
Daley
Turco

Get rid of Cambell's contract

Waive
Huet
Sopel
Daley

Re Sign
Kane 10 years 55 million
Toews 10 years 55 million
Keith 5 years 25 million
Ladd 5 years 10 million
Hjalmersson 3 years 4.5 million
Eager 1 year 1.2 million
Ebbet 2 years 1 million

UFA'S
Biron 1 year 1.5 million
O'Brien 1 year 1.5 million
Trade

To Van
Beech

To Chi
Schneider

2010-2011
Kane(5.5)-Toews(5.5)-Sharp(3.9)
Versteg(3.25)-Bolland(3.375)-Hossa(5.233)
Ladd(2.5)-Ebbet(.500)-Byfugglien(3.0)
Eager(1.0)-Brouwer(.965)-Kopecky(1.0)


Keith(5.0)-Seabrook(3.5)
Barker(3.083)-Hjalmersson(1.5)
O'Brien(1.5)-6 th dman (.750)

Biron (1.5)
Schneider (.984)

Total team cap hit 53.607
We dont want Schneider (Especially at price of Beach) and O'Brien is not that good. In fact he takes too many stupid penalties.

And no way does Dallas take Campbell's contract and give us Daley

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Sure, let's waive a guy with a .917 career save percentage. And for Martin Biron. LULZ

And secondly, the Hawks have Niemi already. Why would they acquire Schneider in your hypothetical situation?
So you would take Huet at a 5.625 cap hit or Martin Biron at a 1.5 cap hit.

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So you would take Huet at a 5.625 cap hit or Martin Biron at a 1.5 cap hit.
Coldplay is Huet's #1 fan

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Coldplay is Huet's #1 fan
Never new that Huet had fans

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Blackhawk Brainstorm:Cap Pollution/Solution

Cap:Lets say jumps to 58 million and change.

1.)Re-sign Keith, Kane and Toews to Long term 5.3 million dollar deals.
2.)Try trading Byfgulien+Skille+2nd for T.Kabrele
3.)Keep Versteeg,trade Barker for a solid prospect,or pick
4.)Re-sign Eager and Burish (Eager 1.4,Burish 1.0)
5.)Trade Huet with a 1st round pick ,no biters? Send him to the minors, unfortunetly.
6.)FACE-It.Keep Campbell(no trade clause)
7.)Re-sign Niemi.800,re-sign Hjar 1.8+, Andrew Ladd will require Barker money can't be signed
8.)Sign a decent big F.A defencemen to play with Hjar(Lebda,?1.8)
9.)Beach and Dowell are ready to step up, Beach takes Buff role at 6'3 he is a great passer and PWF.Dowell is a big body,hard working center.
10.Madden will be too expensive, If he cannot be signed keep Kopecky at 3rd line C.
11.trade Sopel for nothing or send him down/buy him out,in order for extra space for Biron.

My Team Better or not we keep the core

Kane-Toews-Sharp
Beach-Bolland-Hossa
Brouwer-Kopecky-Versteeg
Eager-Dowell-Burish

Seabrook-Keith
Campbell-Kabrele
Hjarlmasson-Lebda
Hendry

Niemi-Biron

Gone:
Huet-5.6
Barker-3.0
Sopel-2.3
Ladd-1.5(will resign for much more)
Madden-2.75

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