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10-20-2009, 06:06 PM
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God damnit they are really running this story constantly today on RDS and other french media. There is no way I can express how much this pisses me off.

I got a great idea! I'll write a book about how we are biased against italiens in the NHL! Or polish people! Or brazilians!

Why the **** is this even news? Some guy is pissed off that a PROVINCE only gets dozens of players drafted every year? And it sells? ****ing genius.
I love the fact that they don't present any contrary opinions.

This is pure media manipulation. They've got an agenda, it's pretty clear, if it wasn't before this piece of garbage called 'news'.

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Let me get this right this book is about possible bias quebec players face.Yet the book is on avaible in quebec and is only french is that not bias in some way aginst the english speaking people.

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I love the fact that they don't present any contrary opinions.

This is pure media manipulation. They've got an agenda, it's pretty clear, if it wasn't before this piece of garbage called 'news'.
It is.
They had a top 10 of Anglophone vs Francophone highlights. Basically comments or actions made by English towards French people in sports.

Whats funny is that.. THE SAME thing is done to Russians, by the French media just as well as the Anlgophone media.. I mean L'Attaque en Cinq is ridicilous for its almost discriminatory comments towards Russians at times.

I dont have a problem with an argument, but it HAS to be two sided.

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10-20-2009, 06:13 PM
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I feel sorry for you as well because the majority of french people in this province, 99% of them that I know or have met or have served while working is nothing like this. They are polite and accomadating, but you always get that 1% who act like pigs which makes everyone else change their perceptions of french people.
Those 1% will always be the Francophones who grew up in the 70s when this whole debate was ugly.

Now a days, the young Francophones are not like this. They've embraced both English and French.

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It is.
They had a top 10 of Anglophone vs Francophone highlights. Basically comments or actions made by English towards French people in sports.

Whats funny is that.. THE SAME thing is done to Russians, by the French media just as well as the Anlgophone media.. I mean L'Attaque en Cinq is ridicilous for its almost discriminatory comments towards Russians at times.

I dont have a problem with an argument, but it HAS to be two sided.
lolol. It's amazing how we live in world where people don't ask why and just follow what they hear like blind sheep. Is the french sports media to the people in 2009 what the church was to the french in the 1920s and 30s?

This is pure propoganda, I can't even believe it and I find it absolutley hilarious that people just believe it blindly without asking for more proof.

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10-20-2009, 06:16 PM
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Those 1% will always be the Francophones who grew up in the 70s when this whole debate was ugly.

Now a days, the young Francophones are not like this. They've embraced both English and French.
Yes most have and I always acknowledge the people who do and tell them directly that I admire them because they speak two languages fluently. I do that with anyone who speaks more than one language fluently. When you do so, you respect your fellow man, but doing the opposite,restricting yourself is disrespect and this goes for all those anglos in Quebec who refuse to use french.

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You could write the same article about any province besides Ont.

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10-26-2009, 04:59 PM
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Yes it is discrimation both ways. Yet I don't see why someone who prefers the one situation that favors his cause can point the finger and complain about the other.

No one is arguing for the anglicization of Quebec. It's simple pointing out what is occuring. Look at the level of bilingualism of 15 years ago compared to now and I'm sure the numbers have increased significantly. If you took an anthropology class about the evolution of languages you'll see that they all occur in the same way. You have a land divided into two languages. One of the language is a dominant one because it is the language of commerce. The other fights to sustain the use of it's language, at first the language begins to adopt phrases from the dominant one(something which has occured and I believe the term is coined "anglicism") and eventually you have one culture who is perfectly bilingual. Once bilingualism occurs, those who speak both languages tend to use the dominant one more often because of it being the language of commerce and through a slow process the language is eventually drowned out.

The same will eventually happen to the english language as happened with Latin before it and so on. Crap evolves and changes.
Sorry, I,m late.
For a while, I didn't have time for long messages and, then, I forgot about this discussion.

Sure all languages change, borrow words from other languages, etc, but we're not talking about that here.

You can't say "no one is arguing for the anglicization of Quebec" and argue for "bilingualism" (as in learning english) in Quebec. Bilingualism in Quebec will lead to Anglicization.

You said it yourself. "Once bilingualism occurs, those who speak both languages tend to use the dominant one more often because of it being the language of commerce and through a slow process the language is eventually drowned out"
Therefore, if you argue for "bilingualism" (as in learning English) in Quebec, you're arguing for the Anglicization of Quebec.

I really hope Mandarin becomes an alternate language of commerce in the future. If this happens, globalization may become bilingual (or even, preferably, multilingual). This would help lower the pressure on small cultures and dying languages.

Right now, the forces of globalization are monolingual and everyone saying Quebecers should all be "bilingual" (most of the time, what they actually mean is that Quebecers should all speak English as a second or even a first language... which is not the same thing) is guilty of cultural imperialism: the English language above every other language on earth.

I'm saying, Quebecers should all be bilingual or even multilingual, but like in Europe, English shouldn't be the only other language beside French that is worth learning. Far from it. "Bilingual" should mean a diversity of second language: French and Spanish, French and Mandarin, French and Russian, French and German, French and English, French and Arabic, etc.

And I don't like the fact that, many here tend so easily generalize and portray the francophones of Quebec as racist/bigot/close-minded. This is also prejudiced AND racist.

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