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10-21-2009, 12:21 AM
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Well, apparently the ownership has no problems with letting Huet toil in the minors, so why not?

I can see a team like Columbus who is a PP QB away from being serious contenders in the West taking on Campbell. Also, Atlanta, TB, and even Montreal if they can make some space are possible teams with interest.

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10-21-2009, 12:27 AM
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this is a worst case scenario
huet will be in the minors before some of the other players

also, versteeg and sharp will get much more than a second rounder
chuck kobasew got a 2nd rounder!

i know poeple think chicago is in a whole, but they aren't going to be handing their players over, there will be teams bidding for these players and thats when the price is going to go up
You better hope Edmonton doesn't toss a offer out there. Then you would be screwed.

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10-21-2009, 01:39 AM
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You better hope Edmonton doesn't toss a offer out there. Then you would be screwed.
its possible but look

Penner went to Edmonton.. and everyone is called Edmonton the looser of that agreement

now look at Kessel.. there is a possibly (really early into the season to tell) but that Toronto handed over the 1st overall pick for kessel, not to mention another first rounder


teams are and should be scared of offer sheets.. doesn't mean it won't happen, but there are reasons not to go to RFA offer sheet route

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10-21-2009, 01:47 AM
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what i was saying about the keith contract

if he is going to be 27 when signs and you sign him to a 12 year deal, so it will effectively run until he is 38

you can give him a 54 million dollar contract for 12 years for a cap hit of 4.5

break it down like 6.5x6(until he is 32)/5(33)/3.5(34)/2.25(35)/2.25(36)/1(37)/1(38)

as much as we would like to say he wouldn't accept that contract

thats guaranteed money... that a life savings and your set for the rest of your life and getting paid at 38 when players can't get contract over the age of 34 anymore...


im just saying its one route they can take..

and after all this that i'm saying, i dont even think he's worth 6.5 at the beginning of the contract

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10-21-2009, 01:48 AM
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i dont think it would look like a montreal type of trade unless they throw in one of their top prospects as well

Campbell

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Andrei, Sergei, PK Subban and a 1st..

oh why not..


disclamer: i am joking BTW

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10-21-2009, 10:48 AM
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...again here was my long shot, good outcome situation.

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Hypothetical situation to keep the Big 3 and the core.

-Assume Brian Campbell gets traded along with a few picks/prospects
-Waive Huet & Sopel, send them down to minors
-Sign Biron to a 1 year, $1.5 million contract
-Sign Toews & Kane to 12 year $72 million contracts
-Sign Kieth to a 6 year $32.4 million contract
-Sign ladd to a 4 year $10.4 contract
-Sign Madden to a 1 year $1.5 million contract(hopefully takes discount)
-Sign Hjalmarsson to a 2 year $4.0 million contract
-Trade a pick for garnett Exelby

Sharp(3.9)-Toews(6)-Kane(6)
Hossa(5.2)-Bolland(3.375)-Buff(3)
Ladd(2.6)-Madden(1.5)-Versteeg(3.063)
Eager(1)-Kopecky(1.2)-Brouwer/Skille(1)


Kieth(5.4)-Seabrook(3.5)
Barker(3.063)-Hjalmarsson(2)
Lalonde(.900)-XLB(0.8)


Niemi(1.2)
Biron(1.5)

Total: $56.175

Thats all assuming the cap stays as is, gives wiggle room for call ups.

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10-21-2009, 10:58 AM
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Chicago Trades:
Huet
3rd/4th round pick in 2010

for

New York Islanders:
Biron
Why would the Islanders trade Biron(who is a slightly better goalie then Huet) for a Salary dump and a 3rd rounder, when they most likely get get a 2nd/3rd rounder at the trade deadline

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The Isles have three NHL caliber goalies when DP returns, so why on earth trade Biron for another goalie??? If the Hawks want Biron and dump some salary at the same time they'll have to offer something the Isles can actually use, like Dustin Byfuglien.

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10-21-2009, 12:05 PM
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...again here was my long shot, good outcome situation.
Kinda likey.

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what i was saying about the keith contract

if he is going to be 27 when signs and you sign him to a 12 year deal, so it will effectively run until he is 38

you can give him a 54 million dollar contract for 12 years for a cap hit of 4.5

break it down like 6.5x6(until he is 32)/5(33)/3.5(34)/2.25(35)/2.25(36)/1(37)/1(38)

as much as we would like to say he wouldn't accept that contract

thats guaranteed money... that a life savings and your set for the rest of your life and getting paid at 38 when players can't get contract over the age of 34 anymore...


im just saying its one route they can take..

and after all this that i'm saying, i dont even think he's worth 6.5 at the beginning of the contract
No, it isn't Keith doesn't sign that contract. I can make a case he's a top-10 defenseman right now and he will be in that class for the next 7 or 8 years. Those guys are worth $6+ million.

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10-21-2009, 12:17 PM
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Corey Schneider, Jannik Hansen and a 2nd (11) for Kris Versteeg and Andrew Ladd
Nope. We give far and away the two best players in the deal.

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10-21-2009, 12:26 PM
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Patrick Sharp for a second rounder and Wheeler

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chicago-montreal

From what i see Montreal and Chicago are very compatible for a trade.Montreal have a little bit of cap space with Markov injury and Chicago need to get rid of some salary to get hossa in.Montreal got 2 solid goalie while the hawks have none.Montreal needs to file several hole in theire lineup.A top 6 physical forward and a solid D-man are the two main things that habs need.So we really need to trade one of our goalie to improve our lineup.So 2 possibilities:

Halak Vs Ladd

Price+Webber+Sergei+D'agostini vs Kane and Barker(or a solid d-man)

you think something like that would be possible?

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Frolov and Purcell for Byfuglien and Ladd?

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wow, those are 2 brutal trades for the NYI and LA. Chicago isn't get better by making the deals they need to get under the cap. They will have to trade some pretty good players for prospects and picks. Guys like Versteeg and Bfuglin are more than likely the ones that will be on their way out.

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Kinda likey.
the part wgere we they somehow trade campbell and dump huet and sopel in minors is unlikely for all that to happen

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10-21-2009, 04:11 PM
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No, it isn't Keith doesn't sign that contract. I can make a case he's a top-10 defenseman right now and he will be in that class for the next 7 or 8 years. Those guys are worth $6+ million.

well could you look at that contract i wrote up again, sir. 6+ million for 7 or 8 years

in that contract i just said 6.5 for 6 years and a year at 5..

ITS THE SAME THING


so you know whats heres another contract

6.5X7 + 4.5 + 4 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 4.9 a year.. still not the 6.5 cap number your talking about


whatever contract you think he's would sign


take that contract.. add a couple years a reasonable rate for his age.. i.e. at 36 making 3 million and at 39 making 1 million

and the cap hit will be manageable

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well could you look at that contract i wrote up again, sir. 6+ million for 7 or 8 years

in that contract i just said 6.5 for 6 years and a year at 5..

ITS THE SAME THING


so you know whats heres another contract

6.5X7 + 4.5 + 4 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 4.9 a year.. still not the 6.5 cap number your talking about


whatever contract you think he's would sign


take that contract.. add a couple years a reasonable rate for his age.. i.e. at 36 making 3 million and at 39 making 1 million

and the cap hit will be manageable
Keith will not make $3 million when he's 36 it's as simple as that. Is Pronger making that? Hell, is Roman freaking Hamrlik making that? NO!

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No, it isn't Keith doesn't sign that contract. I can make a case he's a top-10 defenseman right now and he will be in that class for the next 7 or 8 years. Those guys are worth $6+ million.


Thats hilarious.

If/when things start to get ugly then we will start assuming.

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Thats hilarious.
Want to know what's even more hilarious?

Listening to Hawks fans say Keith is a top-10 defenseman but he'll sign for $2 million below market value.

It's one or the other not both. If he's a top-10 defenseman, be prepared to pay him like a top-10 defenseman.

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Want to know what's even more hilarious?

Listening to Hawks fans say Keith is a top-10 defenseman but he'll sign for $2 million below market value.

It's one or the other not both. If he's a top-10 defenseman, be prepared to pay him like a top-10 defenseman.
Look at the status of the team, Keith will want to walk so he can go where?

What if Keith is perfectly happy playing here, which in every indication he is as far as I know?

Players turn down higher offers all the time.

Keith sure in the hell wont sign a 2 year deal at 3.5 per but I would assume if he were offered a 8-10 year deal or longer [front loaded] with a cap hit of 5.5 he would do the logical thing and take it. Any player would be stupid not to take a long term deal that pays him 5.5 per for the next 10 years. Its guaranteed money and there is no guarantee for the future. Look at what happened to Rick DiPietro.

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